OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God.

[pocaracas]

zen..........
I think the metaphor has reached it's end. Speak in plain terms, no analogies, no comparisons, no metaphors.

I am using Christ's metaphore about the mustard seed.

Again The mustard seed repersents the smallest amount of faith needed to yeild a result. For the mustard seed was one of the smallest seeds and from it quickly grew a very tall and agressive plant.

A little bit of faith is the same as faith.

And an aggressive plant grew... aye, agreed. More than one.
One for the Church, one for the muslims.... and countless others for each and every deity ever imagined by humans.

I didn't do anything.

Then what are you expecting? God has told you to Ask, seek and knock for Him.

He told me no such thing!
He told me nothing. You told me that. In case you haven't noticed, I don't buy your story.

According to your stories, god speaks to some people.

How do you know He has or currently isn't speaking to you now? Just read what you wrote a few quotes down. You are all too egar to dismiss everything as some psycological event. God is the God of the natural/known universe. Why would He only be able to speak or do things in an unknown way?

If he is, then he's being inept at it.

Why not to all?

Because that would deny you your ablity to choose a fate other than eternal life with God. (self preservation)

Then why write a book about it? And why try so hard to make people follow what's written on that book? So hard that about 80% of the world's population believes in some form of deity!

Why must I seek him out?

Because you have been commanded to do so. God is not a buddy of yours, He's not your friend He is Lord and Master of all of creation and He has demanded that you seek Him out.

Hold your horses. I've been "commanded"? As far as I'm aware, I haven't been commanded to do that. If I have, then the message has been passed ineptly. IS that how you claim your god to be? Inept? Incompetent?

Abraham didn't, but god talked directly to him.
Or so the story goes....

Actually Genesis has a different account. Abram was told to leave his home his 'comfort zone.' and Go out into the unknown, and he did all based on some promises he had no 'evidence' in backing up. You and he are in the same situation. The reason abram is now known as Abraham is held in high regaurd with God and his people is because he obeyed his God. While you do nothing and wait for God to serve you.

Yeah... and who is supposed to have told him to leave his home?

My guess is that the story is just a story.
You believe it's a truthful account and become convinced of all those things about your sins.... becoming easier to repent (WTF?) and that "He will show [you] what has to be done to accomplish a given task" (I call that experience).

So if I want to say open my own company and employ a bunch of people grow it to the point where it makes tons of money, make contacts and do business all over the world, and yet have no experience in doing any of those things, and then I see a list of sins (that at the time don't seem to have anything to do with anything else, certainly nothing to do with running a company) and I work on those 'religious things' yet things like a business man that i only met one time in passing out of the blue gives me 25K to start my company (while I was working for someone else) or the fact that bids and contracts just so happen to fall to me, that is experience?

Beginner's luck

one time we need money, i saw a whole host of questions that need to be answered on this board and i answer them. rather than go out and sell. Because something told me this is what I needed to do. (counter my experience) Then we got some big on line order (off a web site google doesn't even list on the first 10 pages of a search even if you put our company name in the search), from some south american country... is what you call experience? Perhaps it is. Perhaps after ten years of experiencing this kind of thing i am well "experienced" and somehow are making things happen by prayer and following the bread crumbs that i have been left to follow. Even though my intincts tell me to do other things.

Yes, usually, the first few hits on google aren't very good. That's why I have it configured to show me 100 results per page.
BTW, what business are you working on? Maybe I know someone who could order something from you guys!

Why? Why do you believe in such nonsense which is most likely a fabrication of your mind (helped around by the accumulated fabrications of thousands of minds before you)?

Because for the last 10 or so years I have been wandering the wilderness spiritually speaking and found God apart from any one's effort or help.

Well, spiritually, I don't wander. My spirit stays firmly inside me. But I understand that there are some people who can't control their emotional side and just let it wander and grow insecurity and some bad karma comes in and stuff...

Why do you assume that a supernatural being exists, when a simple psychological explanation for that effect is at hand? Why? I sincerely cannot understand it.

Do you want to?
Then ask God to show you.

No answer. Seems he's busy. Like in the last boy scout:

00:54:00 It starts out...

00:54:03 ...painkillers.

00:54:05 Using Demerol because your knees are shot!

00:54:09 Before you know it, you're chewing codeine with breakfast.

00:54:15 Then a truck comes out of nowhere...

00:54:17 ...and you're talking to God, saying, "Help me out, Big Guy.

00:54:22 I pay taxes and go to church.

00:54:24 What's with this dead wife and kid shit?"

00:54:28 But He ain't answering.

00:54:30 He ain't taking calls that day.

00:54:32 Instead, I get a call from the fucking league.

bla bla bla

The voice in your head is not god. See a shrink.