RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell
September 25, 2012 at 12:20 am
(This post was last modified: September 25, 2012 at 12:24 am by Drich.)
(September 24, 2012 at 11:59 pm)Darkstar Wrote: His vow is to sacrifice 'whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites' as a burnt offering.Did you all miss the memo? See post 22 (at the bottom of the page i leave a link that describes how Acceptable sacerfices were made)
Minimalist Wrote:When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of timbrels! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, “Oh no, my daughter! You have brought me down and I am devastated. I have made a vow to the Lord that I cannot break.”(bolding mine)
He sees his daughter and is devestated that he must kill her.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-14973-page-3.html
Minimalist Wrote:After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed.(bolding mine)
This is just short of explicitly saying "he burned he alive as a sacrifice". It can't be much more obvious.[/quote]
Yes but there is a problem that you and Mini don't see. In order to make a proper burnt offering to God their is a proceedure. it involves a priest of the levitical line. What is described in chapter 11 verse 1 about how Jep Came to be, disqualifies him as a preist able to make said sacerfice himself. Meaning He could only "OFFER" his daughter to the Temple/God/Preisthood. The preist would have to take part in the cermony in order for the killing/burnt offering to be acceptable before God. And because of the "Book Chapter and Verse" I left you saying ALL Human sacerfice was not acceptable before God, then a preist would have to refuse the ritual. Meaning if Jep was insistent to give his daughter to God they would have taken her as a slave to do all of the 'unclean' tasks in the temple. Meaning the even if Jep's intention was to kill his daughter and offer her as a burnt offering to God the preists would have stopped him.
However that does not mean she was not killed in some back alley and set on fire. If she was know in your heart God did not accept this sacerfice.
(September 25, 2012 at 12:16 am)Stimbo Wrote: We're always being reprimanded for not taking the context into account. The context in this particular story couldn't be clearer if the pages were transparent. Man promises god to sacrifice first thing to greet him on his return home, in return for winning a battle. Man wins battle, returns hime. Daughter rushes out to greet him. Man not very happy but proceeds with sacrifice anyway. Everyone laments. Fade to black; roll credits. If you want to continue to argue that we have no record of what actually happened, despite the text stating what happened, then you are ruling out speculative rationalising on your part as well. Perhaps she turned into a giant butterfly and flew to Mars?
No, this is still a matter of context, but on a slightly larger scale. Jep as a "Judge" of God was bound to God's expressed will. Which includes the bit I left about human sacerfice and who was to make burnt offerings. You have motive in your little screen play, but not the means nor oppertunity. If Jep killed his daughter anyway then this story is not about human sacerfice but murder.
