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Sinners cannot understand the Bible!
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible!
(September 5, 2009 at 11:38 pm)Arcanus Wrote: There is no contradiction between (1) "I and the Father are one" and (2) "the Father is greater than I" because the Father is 'greater' in one respect while they are 'one' in another respect. The two statements are not logical inversions of each other (i.e., if the former is P, in no sense is the latter ¬P). In order to affirm this as a contradiction, you have to force upon the text that their being 'one' and the Father being 'greater' are being affirmed in the same respect....


Please define this 'respect' you speak of. The father is greater in what respect? They are one in what respect?

My father and I are one yet he is greater that I sounds contradictory to me. But my wordsmither doesn't work as well as yours so excuse me if I am not using the most accurate terminology but I am sure there exists a word to describe statements such as these.

How would you describe the statement; "My son's father is me and that father is greater than I."
If the father is me, then how could I be greater than myself? I call it a contradiction. If you want to argue 'I' and 'Father' are meant in different respects then please elaborate and define these 'respects'.
I used to tell a lot of religious jokes. Not any more, I'm a registered sects offender.
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Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by dry land fish - August 28, 2009 at 10:19 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - August 28, 2009 at 11:41 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - August 29, 2009 at 2:37 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 4:51 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Giff - August 29, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by dry land fish - August 29, 2009 at 11:52 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 3:50 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - August 30, 2009 at 2:52 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - August 29, 2009 at 6:16 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 7:08 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:14 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 4:15 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by dry land fish - September 2, 2009 at 4:18 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - September 2, 2009 at 4:58 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 6:15 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 10:03 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 5, 2009 at 11:38 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 19, 2009 at 1:31 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 19, 2009 at 1:22 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 19, 2009 at 4:34 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 19, 2009 at 2:52 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 19, 2009 at 6:25 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - September 19, 2009 at 9:43 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 20, 2009 at 11:11 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 19, 2009 at 9:16 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 4:39 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - September 20, 2009 at 4:43 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 20, 2009 at 4:44 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 4:57 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 20, 2009 at 5:09 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 5:42 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - September 20, 2009 at 6:47 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 20, 2009 at 9:13 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 20, 2009 at 12:20 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 12:30 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 20, 2009 at 12:44 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 21, 2009 at 9:13 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 21, 2009 at 3:37 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 21, 2009 at 4:43 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 27, 2009 at 2:57 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - September 22, 2009 at 12:11 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 22, 2009 at 1:25 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 22, 2009 at 7:04 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 22, 2009 at 1:41 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 22, 2009 at 1:46 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 22, 2009 at 1:59 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 22, 2009 at 2:00 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 22, 2009 at 5:27 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 23, 2009 at 3:46 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 23, 2009 at 5:25 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 24, 2009 at 6:11 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 22, 2009 at 2:02 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 22, 2009 at 2:16 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 23, 2009 at 4:15 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 23, 2009 at 5:47 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by amw79 - September 24, 2009 at 5:05 pm
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