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Sinners cannot understand the Bible!
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible!
Arcanus Wrote:I cannot answer your question simply, due to the presence of an equivocable term: 'entity'. Do you mean it in the sense of ousia? Then yes. Do you mean it in the sense of hypostasis? Then no. The Father and Son are distinct in their persons (hypostases) but identical in their essence (ousia).

The thing is, the way I see it, you guys look at it with such detail and "attempted clarity" because you are so desperate to have it all make sense. If I am wrong to you, then I am wrong, I cannot argue with you on that because it is a matter of personal opinion. I am merely just stating, thats all.

However, what about the millions of other bible readers out there? Are you gonna say that everyone who reads it differently from you is instantly wrong and that for the entire population to understand the bible we need to critically analyze it as deeply as you do?


"I and the father are one"
"The father is greater then I"

We ask you a simple question whether he is saying he and the father are seperate or if they are the same because clearly the two statements appear to contradict each other and a million other people will tell you the same thing. You can use as many fancy big words to explain the two sentences but they are as they are written.

If you really feel that it is not a contradiction, then personally I feel the bible was written poorly. That is just my opinion.

For the record, I was just quoting Arcanus' response but I am not actually responding to him. I'm just making a general statement. Smile
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Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by dry land fish - August 28, 2009 at 10:19 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - August 28, 2009 at 11:41 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - August 29, 2009 at 2:37 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 4:51 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Giff - August 29, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by dry land fish - August 29, 2009 at 11:52 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 3:50 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - August 29, 2009 at 4:01 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - August 30, 2009 at 2:52 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 6:14 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - August 29, 2009 at 6:16 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 6:33 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - August 29, 2009 at 6:40 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 6:44 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - August 29, 2009 at 6:50 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 6:51 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - August 29, 2009 at 6:53 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:02 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - August 29, 2009 at 7:04 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:07 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 7:08 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:14 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Giff - August 29, 2009 at 7:17 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:30 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - August 29, 2009 at 7:34 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 7:22 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:35 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 7:40 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:55 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 7:59 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 8:02 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - August 29, 2009 at 12:52 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Samson - August 29, 2009 at 1:18 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - August 29, 2009 at 2:27 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - August 29, 2009 at 4:26 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 5:13 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 30, 2009 at 5:03 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Giff - August 30, 2009 at 2:34 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Tiberius - September 2, 2009 at 7:34 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 2, 2009 at 9:04 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 3:41 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 5:10 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 11:37 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 12:10 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 3:58 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Tiberius - September 2, 2009 at 4:08 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 4:15 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 4:56 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by dry land fish - September 2, 2009 at 4:18 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - September 2, 2009 at 4:58 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 5:20 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 6:15 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 6:20 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 6:32 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 6:26 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 6:58 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 7:00 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 7:27 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 7:34 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 7:42 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 7:46 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 7:54 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 7:55 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 8:06 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 8:09 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 8:39 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 8:41 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 8:45 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - September 3, 2009 at 3:47 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 10:03 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 5, 2009 at 11:38 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 19, 2009 at 1:31 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 19, 2009 at 12:43 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 19, 2009 at 1:22 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 19, 2009 at 2:59 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 19, 2009 at 4:12 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 19, 2009 at 4:34 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by padraic - September 19, 2009 at 4:46 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 19, 2009 at 2:52 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 19, 2009 at 6:25 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 19, 2009 at 6:39 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 19, 2009 at 6:55 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - September 19, 2009 at 9:43 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 20, 2009 at 11:11 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 19, 2009 at 9:16 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 4:39 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - September 20, 2009 at 4:43 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 20, 2009 at 4:44 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 4:57 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 20, 2009 at 5:09 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 5:42 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - September 20, 2009 at 6:47 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 20, 2009 at 9:13 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 20, 2009 at 12:20 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 12:30 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 20, 2009 at 12:44 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 21, 2009 at 9:13 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 21, 2009 at 3:37 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 21, 2009 at 4:43 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 21, 2009 at 9:30 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 21, 2009 at 11:03 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 22, 2009 at 9:10 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 22, 2009 at 1:51 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 27, 2009 at 2:57 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - September 22, 2009 at 12:11 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 22, 2009 at 1:25 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 22, 2009 at 7:04 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 22, 2009 at 1:41 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 22, 2009 at 1:46 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 22, 2009 at 1:59 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 22, 2009 at 2:00 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 22, 2009 at 5:27 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 23, 2009 at 3:46 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 23, 2009 at 5:25 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 24, 2009 at 6:11 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 22, 2009 at 2:02 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 22, 2009 at 2:16 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 23, 2009 at 4:15 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 23, 2009 at 4:33 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 23, 2009 at 5:47 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 23, 2009 at 7:13 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Rhizomorph13 - September 23, 2009 at 4:31 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - September 23, 2009 at 5:10 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 23, 2009 at 5:30 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by amw79 - September 24, 2009 at 5:05 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - September 23, 2009 at 10:09 pm

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