(October 1, 2012 at 9:52 pm)Godschild Wrote: 1. God did not create man with original sin, this came only after Adam and Eve disobeyed God. Now we are all born with a sin nature ie. we will sin because the ability to sin is necessarily part of us.
Ds Wrote:So, god told Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge of ggod and evil. After eating from the tree, there is a marked change in both of them. Conclusion: the fruit changed them by giving thm knowledge of good and evil. Implications: They did not have knowledge of good and evil before, thus they did not know right from wrong. To top it all off god lets the devil mess with them. He set them up to fail so he would have an excuse to make them wordhip him.
Knowing your disobeying has nothing to do with good and evil necessarily, small children will knowingly disobey their parents, you can't necessarily call that doing or have knowledge of doing evil. Adam and Eve met with God in the cool of the evening to worship Him, so the act of disobedience had nothing to do with worship. Lucifer worshiped God before he fell, so your theory fails. God allowed them to be tempted, yes, because He desired that they love Him of their own free will, not because He kept Lucifer away, who by the way they did not know existed.
Godschild Wrote:3. Jesus did not kill Himself, though He did allow it to happen, there are scriptures that shows how he could have prevented it. All sin was placed on Him so that we could be forgiven by choosing Christ as our savior. For those who choose not to receive Him as savior, their sins will not be forgiven and they will go before God the Father for judgement. So the condemned you spoke of, are those who do not believe in what Christ did for them.
Ds Wrote:It was all part of god's plan to kill Jesus (who was also god). Why did he even need to get Jesus killed in the first place? He's god, couldn't he have used a better method? Also, he says he could have prevented it, but this is the one surefire time that he could not have faked/lied about a miracle and he doesn't come through. Why die, rather than free himself? If he proved himself to be god, people wouldn't have taken so long to embrace christianity.
Jesus volunteered to die for the sins of man before He even created them. Don't you think that if there was any other way it would have been done, the shedding of His blood unto death was the only way, the perfect Lamb of God had to surrender His life in this manner to satisfy God's judgement of sin. God will judge all the unforgiven, those who choose Christ as their savior are already forgiven, thus we have no judgement coming from the Father.
If Christ had not given up His life on the cross there would have been no salvation, Christ could have forsaken us and lived or loved us and die. I personally am glad He chose to love us. If Christ had not died there would be no such thing as Christianity, yes, He would have accomplished another miracle, but like Jesus told many, "even though I do many miracles before you, you still do not believe," so one more miracle would have made no difference.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.