Divine Inspiration

[Darkstar]

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If they weren't really slaves, then why did god send terrible plagues in order to free them?

Because appearently pharroh got confused.

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Or it didn't happen...

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I don't really watch those films for this very reason: The person who made that film does not have a firm grasp on the fundamentals of Christianity. in that we are not to worship God untill we resolve issues (or atleast do everything we can to resolve an issue.) However the video guy will not be able to defend what he has said.

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I know why you might think that the video was biased, but he made some good points that I hadn't thought of.
1. If we love everyone as ourselves, that devalues love.
2. If we turn the other cheek, people can do anything they want without fear of retribution.
3. If we can ask god for forgiveness, this means that we don't need forgiveness from the person we've wronged.

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I don't remember this conversation, but the desire to pastor can be selfish in orgin. If one apporaches God for the purpose gain then nothing will be assured. Meaning no one can say God will show up and make the effort needed to break a man of his orginal intenion

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I highly doubt he was doing it in self-interest.

Well, if god already knows who will 'choose' him, then are you saying that god refuses to reveal himself to people who wouldn't follow anyway?

Yes

Then why are we even debating this? You seem convinced that I will never find god no matter how hard I try, and if I do I'll reject him.

Then what about all of the theistic satanists?

I give up what does it say about theistic satanists?

God revealed himself to them knowing that they would ultimately reject him anyway. That contradicts your previous answer (above).

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God reveals himself to those who A/S/K, and can save anyone from their disbelief IF the so choose to be saved. The thing is not everyone who goes through the motions of A/S/K chooses to be saved.

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Why doesn't god just reveal himself and see who will join? Why must he toy with us?

truthfully it would depend on the actual effort and the condition of the man's heart. If the effort matches what is outlined in Luke 11 then God promises to show up. However if the man does his own version of A/S/K then nothing is bound to happen, and at that point can assume anything he likes. Because after 20 years He does not yeild himself to the calling and the promise offered God might as well be non-existant as far as he is concerned.

Truthfully it would depend on the actual alignment and the positon of the night's stars. If the stars match what is outlined in my vaguely defined book then the dowsing rod promises to work. However if the stars only are similar then nothing is bound to happen, an at that point we can assume whether there is a well or not. Because after 20 years the stars do not align the promise offered by the dowsing rod might as well be non-existent as far as we are concerned.

The A/S/K does not have very clear instructions. You said earler that god doesn't care if you follow incorrectly due to an honest misinterpretation of the bible. Apparently that rule doesn't apply here. The above statement is as valid as yours.

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Those who are desperate to believe will see what they want to, the unbiased will end up not believeing.

indeed. do you assume all who are looking for God are desperate to find Him?

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Well it's either that or burn for eternity... (you just admitted that an unbiased person would not conclude the existence of god from the evidence, you realise, don't you?)

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I believe these 'experiences' are for the dreamer/see-er. That said the boy's experience is no more valid than my own to anyone who did not experience what he did.
for so much is lost in trying to explain what actually takes place that the core of the experience looses all real value to anyone who does not experience these things for themselves. The only reason i share what i do is because i know there is nothing special about me and if any of you wish to see or experience what i have then all any of you must do is earnestly ask, seek, and Knock as I did and God WILL Show up.

Just be ready for your life to be turned on it's ear. For once something like that happens everything will need to change. Not because 'church' says so. Because you will want to change.

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You have a strange dream that is true to you but that everyone else doesn't believe and you still defend it? So you are saying the kid was wrong, or aren't you? (You say it was real to him, but wouldn't that mean not real to you? And then your 'vision' wouldn't be real to him.)

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Exactly, it is no less unbelieveable than anything else in the bible. I know that the story isn't about the logistics, but if the logistics fail, then the story is only a metaphor. The story never said that god gave any aid to Noah other than advance warning, so while the flood was an act of god, the ark and animal collecting were not.

Read the story again. God provided everything (including the animals)

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No he didn't. (though he did provide the animals)
But first:
Genesis 6:6

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The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

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How does god regret doing something he already knows the outcome of?

Now, as for how Noah made the ark:
Genesis 6:14-16

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So make yourself an ark of cypress[c] wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out. 15 This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be three hundred cubits long, fifty cubits wide and thirty cubits high.[d] 16 Make a roof for it, leaving below the roof an opening one cubit[e] high all around.[f] Put a door in the side of the ark and make lower, middle and upper decks.

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God just told him to make it, god did not make it.

Genesis 6:19-22

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You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them.”

22 Noah did everything just as God commanded him.

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God provided the animals, but how could they fit in a man-made ark?

Genesis 7:1-5

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The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.”

5 And Noah did all that the Lord commanded him.

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More commands; now Noah has a time limit.

Genesis 8:1-4

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But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded. 2 Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky. 3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down, 4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.

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How, in the seven months Noah was at sea did:
1. no one starve to death (how could he fit enough food?)
2. no animal kill another?
3. no disease kill anyone?
4. Noah keep the animals under control?
5. the animals not die of inbreeding?
6. the animals all survive in the same climate when there would have been everything from slalmanders to polar bears?

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i guess you did not read the whole thread. well somewhere in the middle of that one I was given a chance to tell you all what i thought this link is to the CF version of the same story.

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I didn't read the whole thread, but I read a good part of what is in your link. However, if your theory is true, it opens up more problems than it fixes. Does this mean that 'monkey man' evolved without god? Then how is god necessary? How does the 'original sin' of two people come to ruin an entirely seperate race? How does god claim dominion over that which he did not create?