10 questions for your pastor

[Darkstar]

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Yes Lucifer knew right from wrong and he had the knowledge of good and evil even before his fall from grace. I do not see what that has to do with Adam and Eve's fall other than Lucifer knowing what could possibly work on them. He actually tempted them with the very same reasoning that caused his fall ie. pride. Next, what makes you believe that Adam and Eve were less than 24 hours old, that is not biblical. Scripture says that God would come and walk with Adam and Eve in the cool of the evening, they spent time with God every day, and they did so as complete equals. We do not know how long they lived in the Garden, but because of what I stated above and other scriptures I believe it could have been thousands of years, we just do not know the exact amount of time. Next, one reason I stated all this is to show you that Adam and Eve were mature adults without the knowledge of good and evil, they had one commandment to live by, not to eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil. They did not have any idea as to what the tree represented, until Lucifer deceived them about what it meant to eat of that fruit. So your premise with the 2 year old doesn't work, the two year old doesn't have a mature mind, nor was the commandment in your premise given by God. God told Adam and Eve why they should not eat of the fruit, they would surely die. The day they did they died spiritually and several hundred years later the died physically. God did not lie to them, Lucifer did, they did not become as God, God is immortal, they became mortal, they gave up their immortality by disobeying God's one command.
Here's what separates Adam and Eve's situation from the 2 year old child, the 2 year old already has a sin nature, Adam and Eve did not until they chose to disobey God. Also the Garden was a sanctuary for man and God to meet, not just a place to live, God kicked them out because they violated a sacred place with sin, he was not going to allow them to live in a place of righteousness after they became creatures of sin.

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Okay, I realize that they were likely older than 24 hours (for some reason I always assumed that it was the same day...). Yes, the two year old was not given the command by god, but what is a parent to a two year old? That is the greatest thing they know. They still did not know right from wrong, and actually Lucifer told them the truth about the fruit.

Genesis 3:4-5 "You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.

They learned the difference between good and evil, like god knows. He said they would not certainly die, not they would certainly not die.
They still did not know right from wrong, so while they wouldn have been smarter than the two year old, their moral compass would be equally developed, regardless of their age. Also, you say that the two year old already has a sin nature. I don't know what you mean by this. If Adam and Eve could last a long time without eating the fruit, then why did god let Lucifer tempt them? Or, why did he not give them a conscience to begin with. He didn't merely kick them out, he cursed them as well (childbirth pains, etc.)

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Because God the Father had turned His back upon Jesus, the Father was always with His Son, but when Jesus had all the sins of the world placed upon Him the Father had to turn away from Him, God the Father can not and will not be in the presents of sin. Christ knew this would happen when He volunteered, however as a man Jesus would naturally cry out. Many soldiers when they are dying cry out for their mothers, this is part of being human, and Jesus came to us as a man.

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If god cannot be in the prescence of sin, then he is not omnipresent

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We need a savior to be redeemed from our sin, and without the shedding of blood there is no redemption, this is what God has set up from the beginning, so by this there is no other way. Again don't you think if there was another way God would have done so. Even Jesus when praying the night He was arrested said,"Father if there is any other way could you take this cup away from Me, but not My will but thy will be done." So Jesus knew the horrible thing He was getting ready to endure.
You know no matter what God had done to redeem us there would be those who would not want to accept it, they just do not want anything to do with God. For those of us who do accept what God has done to redeem us, we cherish it, because it cost Him so much and it was done for us even though we did not deserve His grace.
I mentioned above that God said that the shedding of blood was the only way for redemption of sin and that it was this way from the beginning. Well there is a reason for it and Adam and Eve's disobedience was the cause, when God found them hiding in the Garden they had said they were naked, understanding good and evil. God clothed them with animal skins, God had to kill animals and make clothing to cover their nakedness, in doing this blood was shed because of sin, the first deaths occurred because of sin and the innocent died first. The covering of Adam and Eve's nakedness with the death of innocent animals is representative of the covering of sin with blood from the innocent perfect Lamb of God, know you know exactly why Jesus had to give up His life, only innocent blood from the perfect Lamb could possibly save man.

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(bolding added) (each bolded passage corresponds to one point)

1. God cannot change the rules, even temporarily? Then he is not omnipotent.

2. Yeah, which is one of the numerous reasons I find the story hard to believe.

3. He was dead for three days...and he's otherwise immortal. Not much of a sacrifice...

4. The reason that god cursed humanity was because Adam and Eve grew a conscience... The whole sacrifice was just theatrics to give us a 'martyr'.

5. It's a sad day when an omnipotent being needs to personally kill animals and skin them for clothing when he could just poof it into existence...well, then he wouldn't be able to shame humanity properly, I guess (kind of a weak excuse). Not to mention, a couple random animals' deaths are equivalent to the death of the son of god? (Well, he was ressurected after only three days. NOw, I know he was hurt in the process of being killed, but he's god, so to him it would be like a painful surgery from which you become immortal) Who wants to bet that jews suffered more during the holocaust than Jesus ever did?