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Question to Christians re humility
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RE: Question to Christians re humility
(October 8, 2012 at 12:51 pm)Undeceived Wrote: According to our observations, all actions/transfers of energy have a cause.

http://www.philosophos.com/knowledge_bas..._1206.html

Quote:According to quantum mechanics, there are uncaused events (such as the radioactive decay of an
atom, for example, or the precise way in which the QM probability wave function collapses). But some
people didn't like this idea ("God doesn't play dice with the Universe" Albert Einstein said), so they
posited what were called 'hidden variables' which would be unable to be measured but which would
cause quantum events. However, John Bell thought up an experiment that would distinguish whether
an event depended on hidden variables or not, and Alain Aspect found a way to do it. The results
showed that (on the assumptions made), there are no hidden variables.


Since all experiments rest on assumptions, we can look at them to see if there is a way out of the
conclusion. One of the assumptions here is that causes precede effects. If that is false, then we can
have backwards causation in time and the Aspect experiment does not show that there are uncaused
events. Some people take this seriously, but others think backwards causation is logically suspect. In
a way, you have to choose which you think is more impossible: backwards causation or uncaused
events.


I would think that the scientific consensus at the moment is that some events are uncaused.

Quote:Quantum fluctuation is the temporary appearance of energetic particles out of nothing, as allowed by the Uncertainty Principle. It is synonymous with vacuum fluctuation

http://universe-review.ca/R03-01-quantumflu.htm

You were saying.



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Question to Christians re humility - by Doubting_Thomas - September 30, 2012 at 6:23 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Darwinian - September 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Darkstar - September 30, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Drich - September 30, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 30, 2012 at 7:40 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Darkstar - September 30, 2012 at 7:41 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Drich - September 30, 2012 at 11:19 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 30, 2012 at 11:49 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Darkstar - October 1, 2012 at 12:14 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Zen Badger - October 1, 2012 at 6:11 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Minimalist - October 1, 2012 at 12:17 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by downbeatplumb - October 1, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Polaris - September 30, 2012 at 10:13 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Reforged - October 1, 2012 at 12:20 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Polaris - October 1, 2012 at 8:27 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Annik - September 30, 2012 at 10:19 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Angrboda - September 30, 2012 at 11:44 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by FallentoReason - October 1, 2012 at 12:41 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by FallentoReason - October 1, 2012 at 2:05 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Angrboda - October 5, 2012 at 7:20 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by genkaus - October 6, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Kayenneh - October 1, 2012 at 8:04 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Justtristo - October 1, 2012 at 8:21 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Darkstar - October 1, 2012 at 12:01 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by genkaus - October 5, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Darkstar - October 5, 2012 at 4:48 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Reforged - October 6, 2012 at 12:08 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Undeceived - October 6, 2012 at 1:01 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Darkstar - October 6, 2012 at 3:22 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Undeceived - October 8, 2012 at 12:11 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by genkaus - October 8, 2012 at 3:35 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Darkstar - October 6, 2012 at 1:58 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Whateverist - October 6, 2012 at 2:19 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by The Grand Nudger - October 8, 2012 at 12:16 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Undeceived - October 8, 2012 at 12:28 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by The Grand Nudger - October 8, 2012 at 10:17 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Darkstar - October 8, 2012 at 11:49 am
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Undeceived - October 8, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by downbeatplumb - October 8, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Undeceived - October 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Darkstar - October 8, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Darkstar - October 8, 2012 at 5:51 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Darkstar - October 8, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by Darkstar - October 8, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RE: Question to Christians re humility - by pocaracas - October 8, 2012 at 7:02 pm

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