(October 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm)Undeceived Wrote: My argument gave the best answer at hand. Science is about finding answers. You seem content to say "I don't know" and revert to a naturalistic default.
actualy a scientist will always clearly state what has not jet been explained.
for example: why the conventional laws of physics collapse in a black hole
Quote: In my argument, I made the case that natural laws lead us to supernatural conclusions.
Science: observing a subject of study and drawing conclusions, out of wich one can institute a theory if the observed conditions always produce the same result.
Did you ever hear of the disaster of Brescia? That`s a place in Italy wich was part of the vaticans and later the vaticans ally venece souvereignty in the 18th century. In that time Benjamin Franklin discovered that lighting was the result of cold and hot air releasing electricity when meeting.
The Vatican uterly rejected that, because to it, lighting was, is and should always be a act of god.
Now Italy in the 18th century was a rather unsafe place. Habsburg Austria, Imperial Spain and the French Kingdom where constantly fighting over infuence and colonies in Italy whilest the small italian nations such as the republic of Venece, Genua, Savoy where fighting for their souvereignty, as a result of that a lot of weapons and gunpowder where stored in churches in every italian towns church, eaven in the vatican state.
And in 1769 lightning struck the church of the cities bastion - detonating 90000 kilograms of gunpowder and killing 3000 people.
As a result of that the vatican slowly and quietly accepted, that lighting wasn`t from god.
peronaly I think it is one of the best examples to show why simply saying "the unknown is god" will get you killed.
Quote: That’s scientific methodology.
My first word association
Quote:Just because science leads outside of the scientific realm does not mean you should abandon your search for answers.
sience leading outside of "scientific releams" wtf are you talking about?
Quote: In absence and extension of observation, scientists use reason. Black holes are one example, evolution, gravity… in fact, all the universal laws of science extend only so far as observation of their affects. I can’t see thermodynamics, but I use reason to theorize about why it is the case. Yet you accept theories on these subjects.
because these theories reproduce the same results and perfectly explain their field without magic underwear.
Quote:If science leads us to a creator/catalyst (no matter how personal), why are you afraid of that?
wich it doesn`t. and out of wich part of your anatomy did you pull the "you are afraid" part? knowing science and being atheist means to me an absence of fear of the things you would call supernatural or unknown, fear is then rplaced with the rather pleasant feeling of knowing.
it also leads to substancialy less fear of the punishments faiths threaten to those who dont believe their fairytales.