(October 9, 2012 at 1:34 am)ronedee Wrote:(October 9, 2012 at 12:35 am)Godschild Wrote: So if you do not see the Holy Spirit as a person of God, where do you get a trinity from. Christ did call Him another coming in My place, as if the Holy Spirit were a person, the same as the Father and Christ.
In your zest to poke holes in my statement you ignored the fact that I mentioned "personified", and "offspring". The "Holy Spirit" (not daughter, mother, child etc.) was manifested after(i.e. named order), and through (result of) The Father & Son!
Plus...as most theists know, to REALLY try to explain the complexity of the Trinity is an exercise in futility!
...like trying to explain anything to that Darkstar! All we can do is relate to the union in ways "we already know"!
I can see now that this will be an effort no matter how simple I try to make things! I'm not going to try and convince, or argue my points to anyone! Some just won't want to get it because it's at odds with everything they don't believe! That's fine.
I will reply to intelligent questions about the points I make. But I have no time to explain scripture, and theology and how it relates to my points! It's meant to be simple as can be and in common terms.
I did notice the word "personified" and "offspring," that is why I asked, it seems to me that this is another way to explain GOD. Some denominations believe Christ was an angel and lifted up by the Father to be His Son. As I read scriptures the Trinity has always existed, there has never been a part of eternity that the three did not exist, to say the Holy Spirit is a part of God that was birthed so to speak means that HE was not original, that He is not eternal because He has not always existed, even if it were only for a moment. I understand what you mean about trying to explain the Trinity to anyone, it's difficult at best and may be best explained as one of the mysteries of GOD. My intentions are to understand your beliefs and to poke at them as you put it is a way of showing that we disagree up to the point of the poke, nothing more.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.