RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible!
September 23, 2009 at 3:46 pm
(This post was last modified: September 23, 2009 at 4:14 pm by ecolox.)
(September 22, 2009 at 5:27 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:(September 22, 2009 at 2:00 pm)ecolox Wrote: Well EvF and Retorth, that's your prerogative, but I must say I don't understand how you can be content with "I don't know" on such an important topic - I even don't like it.
Well whether you like it or not is irrelevant to the truth of the matter. And if you don't know, then that's fine because you're not believing in something in the absence of evidence.
Wow, you're so quick to spout off what Richard Dawkins says you don't even know what you're talking about... There isn't an absence of evidence for something, that's for sure. We exist. You are not believing in something in the presence of evidence - you are ignoring the implications of the evidence.
Quote:I also disagree that my and others' attempts at explaining this life are fallacious fundamentally. But so be it.
EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:Well, simply stating that God is necessarily required for morality, or that God is necessarily required for an explanation for the universe, are fallacious arguments.
Something is required for morality, and something is required for an explanation of the universe. I have found a reason for both morality and the universe through God.
Simply stating that you can be moral or that the universe just can exist is incredibly ignorant. For example: where do you base morality? Why shouldn't you kill (e.g. to mate with whomever you want to)? Why shouldn't you steal (since the fittest survive)?
What caused this existence and why does the universe exist? Are you working through the logical options right now, why or why not?
(September 22, 2009 at 2:02 pm)Saerules Wrote: The problem with your attempts at explaining life... is that you attach a purpose to that life, a greater meaning to existence. But no matter what purpose or lack of one: life does not disbecome itself.
Attaching a purpose to life is not a problem, it's only rational to believe that this universe exists for a reason. Atheists, generally, do not attempt to explain this existence (Dawkins said we should disregard the question) - that is a problem, it's irrational.
Quote:Example:
You made a fire... you made it to cook food. If you had made it to get warm... is it any less a fire? If the fire was made by complete accident... is it any less a fire? No and no.
One's purpose does not describe their existence... it describes what they do (or are supposed to do) with their existence... but it matters to existence not at all.
Fire always has a purpose - it burns stuff. It doesn't matter if you attach a purpose to the fire or not - the fire will always do its thing while it exists. Your assumption is that things can exist without reason, but that doesn't make any sense.