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Sinners cannot understand the Bible!
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible!
Saerules Wrote:Oh, must something have come from another to exist? Then everything must be cyclic

You'll need to revise, so that I can follow your logic.

Saerules Wrote:THIS universe might have been created by strange space monkeys... but the original universe is in a constant cycle. Without energy transferring in form: the universe would be linear, and would cease to exist at some point (or more likely: it would exist like an image captured with a camera) Smile

For example: What evidence do you have for the "original universe", where did it come from, etc? Do you expect people to take that idea more seriously than you take the idea of God?

Saerules Wrote:More just claim to have faith? To assume absolute correctness? That is what faith is. Those who have faith (like your 'good' Christian self) are arrogant in that they will not accept logic. Logic dictates that faith is illogical, and you (theistical proponent of irrational faith) think that the non-theistical claim to have irrational faith? You don't mind if such a statement gets turned upon you, do you?

True, faith is to assume correctness - enough to die for ideally. Faithful people accept logic (I can use math, language, etc)...logic/rationality does not dictate that faith is illogical (e.g. is it illogical to faithfully believe my mother birthed me?).

Saerules Wrote:Well, under quantum theory: anything that can happen, will happen an infinite amount of times. Why live according to a standard of fairness? Because to not do so would be illogical. Why? Because to consider 1 ≠ 1 would be illogical. Why? Because that is the root of all logic. Why? Because existence itself is impossible if this is false. Why? Because the universe would disintegrate to nothingness (therefore righting the inequality, 0 = 0), or the universe would expand till it created a singularity (which then rights itself by becoming a universe where 1 = 1). This is the basis of existence, and everything that describes existence must be built atop existence itself.

This is a non-sequitur. Are you now claiming that our purpose in life is to be logical?

Saerules Wrote:Why help someone who doesn't need it? Well, that person who just dropped their books can clearly pick them up... but why shouldn't I help them do so? If all of us were so selfish as to not lend a helping hand just because someone doesn't need it... then ours would be a very drab, unfriendly, and terrible world indeed. Undecided Luckily, not all of us need to see a reward behind helping someone, and not all of us require the person to need help before we give it.

Here's a strawman. People need love in my view. In fact, because I have faith in Jesus, I should be able to die for other people, like he did.

Saerules Wrote:I do not believe we were created, though even if we were: the reason behind our creation would not matter at all in our existence.

Why do you think that?

Saerules Wrote:My life is special, because I will never experience life again. The other 'me's that would occur in either past, or in future universes: are not me. They may be just like me... but they are not me. Do not perfect clones have an individual existence?

I guess you will think that every time you exist. Perfect clones have different circumstances from each other, if they exist.

Saerules Wrote:I live only according to what I think is right... and it makes me a tad eccentric when compared to those who do only what others think is right Smile

I'm a "people-pleaser" (which explains why I disagree with you and your conception of right), or was I not included in your comment?
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Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by dry land fish - August 28, 2009 at 10:19 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - August 28, 2009 at 11:41 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - August 29, 2009 at 2:37 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 4:51 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Giff - August 29, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by dry land fish - August 29, 2009 at 11:52 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 3:50 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - August 29, 2009 at 4:01 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - August 30, 2009 at 2:52 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 6:14 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - August 29, 2009 at 6:16 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 6:33 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - August 29, 2009 at 6:50 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 6:51 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:02 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - August 29, 2009 at 7:04 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:07 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 7:08 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:14 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Giff - August 29, 2009 at 7:17 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:30 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - August 29, 2009 at 7:34 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 7:22 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:35 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 7:40 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 7:55 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Darwinian - August 29, 2009 at 7:59 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - August 29, 2009 at 8:02 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - August 29, 2009 at 12:52 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Giff - August 30, 2009 at 2:34 am
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 2, 2009 at 9:04 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 3:41 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 5:10 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 11:37 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 12:10 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 3:58 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Tiberius - September 2, 2009 at 4:08 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 4:15 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 4:56 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by dry land fish - September 2, 2009 at 4:18 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - September 2, 2009 at 4:58 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 5:20 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 6:15 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 2, 2009 at 6:20 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 6:32 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 6:26 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 6:58 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 7:00 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 7:27 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 7:34 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 7:46 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 8:39 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 8:41 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 2, 2009 at 8:45 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - September 3, 2009 at 3:47 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 10:03 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 5, 2009 at 11:38 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 19, 2009 at 1:31 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 19, 2009 at 12:43 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 19, 2009 at 1:22 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 19, 2009 at 2:59 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 19, 2009 at 4:12 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 19, 2009 at 4:34 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by padraic - September 19, 2009 at 4:46 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 19, 2009 at 2:52 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 19, 2009 at 6:25 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 19, 2009 at 6:39 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 19, 2009 at 6:55 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - September 19, 2009 at 9:43 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 20, 2009 at 11:11 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 19, 2009 at 9:16 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 4:39 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - September 20, 2009 at 4:43 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 20, 2009 at 4:44 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 4:57 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 20, 2009 at 5:09 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 5:42 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by theVOID - September 20, 2009 at 6:47 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 20, 2009 at 9:13 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 20, 2009 at 12:20 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 12:30 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 20, 2009 at 12:44 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 21, 2009 at 9:13 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 21, 2009 at 3:37 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 21, 2009 at 4:43 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 21, 2009 at 9:30 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 21, 2009 at 11:03 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Dotard - September 22, 2009 at 9:10 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 22, 2009 at 1:51 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Ryft - September 27, 2009 at 2:57 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - September 22, 2009 at 12:11 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 22, 2009 at 1:25 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 22, 2009 at 7:04 am
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 22, 2009 at 1:41 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 22, 2009 at 1:46 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 22, 2009 at 1:59 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 22, 2009 at 2:00 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 22, 2009 at 5:27 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 23, 2009 at 3:46 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 23, 2009 at 5:25 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Edwardo Piet - September 24, 2009 at 6:11 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 22, 2009 at 2:02 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Retorth - September 22, 2009 at 2:16 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 23, 2009 at 4:15 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 23, 2009 at 4:33 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Violet - September 23, 2009 at 5:47 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by ecolox - September 23, 2009 at 7:13 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Rhizomorph13 - September 23, 2009 at 4:31 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - September 23, 2009 at 5:10 pm
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RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by amw79 - September 24, 2009 at 5:05 pm
RE: Sinners cannot understand the Bible! - by Minimalist - September 23, 2009 at 10:09 pm

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