(October 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm)Tino Wrote:It's alright to notify the general public about the penalties associated with any crime. However, these signs are going up in predominately Latino and African American communities. Why not put them up everywhere? And there's always the caveat of in-person voter fraud being a virtually non-existant issue.(October 19, 2012 at 3:49 pm)festive1 Wrote: These are up all over Ohio:
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19139
These signs tell people that voter fraud is a felony, which it is. It would only be intimidating to someone planning to perpetrate a fraud. I don't think it's bad to pressure people not to commit a felony.
(October 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm)Tino Wrote:I agree that one should be suspicious that it wasn't just an honest error. However, the burden falls upon the county for not doing a simple review of the document before sending it out to the general public. It's a pretty obvious error that should have been caught. And, let's face it, Arizona has pretty shitty policies regarding Latinos in general, which means they should be hyper-aware of these kinds of things.(October 19, 2012 at 3:49 pm)festive1 Wrote: This is what was sent out to voters in Arizona, but really only screws over the Latinos:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/18/us/arizona...index.html
Yes this is bad and I agree that one should be suspicious that it wasn't just an honest error.
(October 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm)Tino Wrote:I don't think you'd defend the Jim Crow-era southerners who stood around polling stations to intimidate African American voters. So why defend a group like this? One's stated mission does not always match the effect that a group may have. These people are trained to walk the fine line of legally intimidating people.(October 19, 2012 at 3:49 pm)festive1 Wrote: These groups are operating nationwide:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/170415/are...es-illegal
I don't know enough about what these people are doing, but if the mission is to ensure that only legal voters actually vote, I think it's a good thing.
(October 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm)Tino Wrote: Again I think it's naive to think this only happens by one party, when history shows they both do it. Democrat JFK's election was widely believed to have been won by fraud, and there were numerous reports of voter intimidation against Republicans in Obama's 2008 election. I'm not interested in digging up accusations, as anyone can accuse anyone of anything, but here's an article on admitted fraud by a Democrat who is serving time for it. Note the quote:I'm not going back to the 1960's. This is today.
"DeFiglio, who in a statement to investigators said that absentee ballot rigging in the city was a "normal political tactic," testified before the first grand jury on Dec. 8, 2010."
Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/...z29mRuNbwC
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/...414466.php
As for the illegal 2008 absentee ballots, those people should have been and have been convicted of crimes. They are serving their time, good. I will point out that casting illegal ballots is a very different thing to voter intimidation and actively trying to get the other side to not vote, even if these two means result in the same end.
You still haven't presented any evidence of current, 2012, democratic voter intimidation and/or fraud. All my citations have been in the past few months.
Oh, and just for giggles, there's this:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10...d-to-vote/
In Pennsylvania where the voter ID law was put on hold for the 2012 election, they are putting up signs in heavily minority areas, in Spanish, saying you have to have an ID to vote.... That's pretty low.