RE: Bloody Christians - 20-30 millions killed in 14 years
October 20, 2012 at 11:18 am
(This post was last modified: October 20, 2012 at 11:22 am by Doubting_Thomas.)
Predicted line of apologist counter-argument:
1) denial. Try to argue that the rebellion had nothing to do with Christianity. Question the death toll estimates and try to allocate as many as possible to the Qing. More perversely, try to focus death tolls on the mass suicides of Qing garrisons - suicide is a sin.
2) anger. Ad-hominen attacks on other forum members. Argue about who knows more history.
3) bargaining. Bring Mao back into it and try to get agreement that Hong was a communist. mention hitler in an attempt to create circular debates. Find the atheist who questions some tangential detail of the overall history and back them up, feeding off someone else's credibility. Try to get concessions from atheists on tangential points and present it as an intellectual draw.
4) depression. Ignore the thread for a few days. Say atheists won't listen etc.
5) back to denial. Apologists don't accept so denial reappears. Blame western powers as "controlling the Qing" (which is a false notion for this period btw). Try to undermine the Christianity of Hong, try to redefine it as non-Christian.
1) denial. Try to argue that the rebellion had nothing to do with Christianity. Question the death toll estimates and try to allocate as many as possible to the Qing. More perversely, try to focus death tolls on the mass suicides of Qing garrisons - suicide is a sin.
2) anger. Ad-hominen attacks on other forum members. Argue about who knows more history.
3) bargaining. Bring Mao back into it and try to get agreement that Hong was a communist. mention hitler in an attempt to create circular debates. Find the atheist who questions some tangential detail of the overall history and back them up, feeding off someone else's credibility. Try to get concessions from atheists on tangential points and present it as an intellectual draw.
4) depression. Ignore the thread for a few days. Say atheists won't listen etc.
5) back to denial. Apologists don't accept so denial reappears. Blame western powers as "controlling the Qing" (which is a false notion for this period btw). Try to undermine the Christianity of Hong, try to redefine it as non-Christian.
(October 20, 2012 at 10:28 am)Polaris Wrote:you posted that the Qing were controlled by the colonial powers in the years 1850 to 1864. What makes you think that?(October 20, 2012 at 1:30 am)Minimalist Wrote: You would. Your grasp on history is weak.
Do you actually know anything about Chinese history?
blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” – John 20:26-29
