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Nope, still don't like it because you do need to be ungrateful sometimes in order to buck the social norms to improve that society, otherwise the powers that be can and will always keep you in your place with the word "ungrateful".

I don't think I understand you. If a power has done nothing to earn your gratitude, there is nothing to be grateful, imo. And why would you be ungrateful to someone or to a "power" that has done things to earn that gratitude?

If they accepted their leaders when they said "your being ungrateful" nothing would change.

Did I speak of any "leaders"? I do not idolize leaders. I only hold ideals and goals in high esteem.

I think what you are needlessly doing is pointing out hypocrisy. Part of human behavior is that we cant always be consistant every second of our lives and often hold opposite positions at the same time.

Do we? I know people who hold opposite positions at the same time. However that is due to their ignorance on the positions they claim to hold, not because it's in their nature. And most of the time, such people do not speak out words of much worth about a particular subject relating to those positions.

For example, I can see both the sides of the immigration issue. Too many people we cant keep track of can screw things up, especially the violent ones. But I also know that humans will always seek out resorces so I cant lose my compassion and forget that.

And I guess you're too keen to share your resources with people you do not know, eh? We know that resouces are limited, that's the reason that immigrants actually immigrate to other places.
This is a subject that is rather deep, I'd not spoil the thread with it.

Our youth are unfortunatly woefully educated, and our crime is a much hire rate. But I don't see that as much the kids fault as society not building better conditions.

What kind of conditions do they need? I'll tell you. The youth ought to be idealistic. A youth with no ideal is a youth thrown away into the hands of petty materialism. A person who only thinks of material and personal gain will do whatever that is in their power to obtain it. And after obtaining it, they will be quite unwilling to share it with society, and the only place where they'll share it is by consuming, which is actually the reason why petty materialism exists.

Where I see most of the ungratefulness is in the suburbs and high end. Far too many people who get to that point scapegoat those with less.

I do not see a class-based thing here, I don't know if you do. I personally tend to look at things on an overall scale. Those who earn more and those who earn less contribute to society one way or the other. The more you contribute to society, the better the conditions for everyone will be. However, both the people who earn more, and who earn less now are pretty much equal in their selfishness.

While it is true no one owes you anything on a personal level, it is sick to take from a society and not give back.

It's not simply a matter of money, friend.