(September 28, 2009 at 11:40 am)solarwave Wrote: As for pascals wager though it isn't a good reason to believe in God, dont you think it is good reason not to just sit back and not care whether there is a God or not?
Perhaps a reason to start thinking about it in the first place. Simply because it's another way to start thinking. I don't think the questions of Pascal's Wager are anything but extremely futile though. Why would hell be any more likely if God exists if the Bible isn't evidence for God? And seen as the Bible isn't evidence, why would atheists be any more likely to go to hell than theists, or indeed, Christians? Etc.
(September 23, 2009 at 9:50 pm)jpayne68177 Wrote: [...]The argument of the universe being "too perfect to have happened by chance" imo. I see it all the time, the people that make that argument don't realize that the universe is not "fine tuned" for us, evolution has "fine tuned" us for it.
How does God make the issue any easier? It just complicates things further. If the universe can't just happen by chance, or be there from the beginning - or whatever started it off be there from beginning - then God can't either. Why is God required, and why believe he exists to create the universe?
Quote:This arguement is on a higher level than Pascals Wager don't yout think?Perhaps, but it's still a case of "goddidit" because the universe can't 'happen by chance', the whole, "something can't come from nothing" thing. It seems impressive with the whole fine tuning thing, but fine tuning + God is even more complex. Imagine how fine tuned God would have to be.
Quote: I mean if you say it like this it is bad but real arguements of this type can be developed much further.
It would be cool if you'd elaborate further then
And perhaps another thread, if you will, if it's going to drift off-topic at all - or if you just think that would be better.EvF
