It is true because you dont understand it

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No it wouldn't.

Obviously you're implying that if people have bad religious experiences they lose their faith. That couldn't be further from the truth. People disbelieve because reason leads them there.

No it wouldn't..... as in you hold what you say reguardless of the statistics? Sorry too easy

Well as I said I dont know I dont have the statistics, but it would make sense if it were partly down to bad experiences and also bad teaching and lack of the Holy Spirit.

And reason leads me to theism. Take a church my friend goes to. The dont promote the Holy Spirit or worship, it hasn't moved on with the times and is as dry as dust, I wouldn't be supprised if people saw the church and said God is dead. I would say more youth have walked away from God from that church than my own. And sorry that was quite a damning descriping of that church lol.

Solar I have never seen you on here before so I would like to welcome you to the discussion.Eilonnwy I agree I am one of those fundamentalist Pentecostal bible thumpers that later came to atheism through the path of reason so I agree with your statement.

Solar:"Christians don't always reply by saying 'God isn't fully knowable' so do try to explain it. " In my opinion those Christians that do try to explain God or their reasons for belief, usually have to resort to stepping away from scripture and rationalize the unrational by using their so called version of philosophy: Apologetics.Defending God and the belief in God from the scriptures is illogical and unreasonable since both parties would have to accept the veracity of those scriptures as God inspired.An atheist would never do that and so a believer is forced to resort to psuedo science to try to explain the absurdity that is God.

Hey, yeah Im new here, just joined yesterday..... I think.

Of course we step away from scripture because atheists don't accept scripture as a reason, nor should they. Whats wrong with using reason to help to understand God?