It is true because you dont understand it

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Logic and athiesm [at least for me] are mutually exclusive.

You said it!

This is not hypophesis, or speculation, as the "gods plan is not understandable, and therefore true" argument has been used by churches to get people to believe their side of an issue [non-religeous], basically saying "god wants this" about a current day issue. To this end, it doesent matter if the bible is true or not, because it is so outdated, nobody knows anything about what god is now, only about what god was when the scriptures were written, and alot can change in 2000 years. Or is god INcapable of changing?

The bible is absolutely applicable as it details what the correct moral standpoint is and what God is. We can take that and use it to understand the present.

God is what he is. A known attribute is that he is never changing.

That's another impossible question... which gives first: the immovable object or the irresistible force / is an omnipotent and unchanging God not powerful enough to change himself? You cannot pair absolutes, it's illogical.

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Non-belief in God leads to "screwey" logic? Substantiate that claim please.

TBF declares atheism and displays screwey logic. QED

That's an Ad-Hom Fallacy.

And you also haven't displayed how his logic can possibly be screwy, considering he is being hypothetical about something that no one can know the mind of, and no one has any evidence of, that being "God".

His logic is screwey because he attributes wildly to Christianity what is not Christianity:

"there is no question about [God's existence]" - yes there is.
"god exists because humans cannot understand god" - no he doesn't.
"church tells us something, and tries to pass it as truth, and tells us we don't understand it therefore it is true" - crazy logic

Atheist argument relies on screwey logic.. cherry picking as with denying philosophy with science.

How is what's in the Bible logic about God at all? It just makes a bunch of unsubstantiated claims. If there is a God, what "logic" have we got to go by that it would be the Biblical one? The Bible makes unsubstaniated claims, and so any old hypothesizing and speculation is equally valid or invalid, until a reason is given that it's not.

It makes logically sound claims. Other logical claims can stand against it. I have never seen, and you haven't presented anything that comes close.

How does any theological reference substantiate any of the claims about God in the Bible? How does it deal with reality in any way at all? How can it actually explain God? How can it be a proper subject, if there are not any means by which the reality of God's existence, can actually be studied? Because if there's no reason to believe that God exists, then there's no reason to believe that Theology is anything more than speculation, and any guess is as good as any other...until there's actually some evidence.

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There is reason and logic in the bible, and it does explain God, deal with reality and it can be studied. You refuse to consider it is because you don't understand the evidence. That's a different thing.