(September 30, 2009 at 10:34 am)theblindferrengi Wrote: If god created as the bible said he did, he would have to be a sentient being. Sentient beings think for themselves. Are you saying that a thinking being did not change any attitudes or veiwpoints in 2000 years just because he is all-powerful? That is either extreme stubborness or god doesent care; either way those are attributes god supposedly doesent have.
Why would he have to be a sentient being?? ie he doesn't.
Given that the definition you are working with (the Christian God) entails God existing outside of time, how do you explain "changing" without time?
(September 30, 2009 at 10:34 am)theblindferrengi Wrote: Where is the first statement in quotemarks from? I dont recognize it from anywhere.The square brackets contain the reference to the subject to make the excerpt make sense.
(September 30, 2009 at 10:34 am)theblindferrengi Wrote:(September 30, 2009 at 10:34 am)theblindferrengi Wrote: I agree that ""god exists because humans cannot understand god" - no he doesn't."
"church tells us something, and tries to pass it as truth, and tells us we don't understand it therefore it is true" - crazy logic <--- Entire point of this thread
Point is, that isn't any real declaration of Christianity. To try to attribute any random non Christian proof to Christianity has always got to be mistaken. If it isn't actually Christianity then we aren't discussing Christianity.
(September 30, 2009 at 10:34 am)theblindferrengi Wrote: Philosophy can and often does use or is based on science, instead of religion, the athiest argument here is that the church sometimes uses screwey logic.Maybe both are born out of enquiry. I don't see how philosophy is based on science? The screwy logic here is accepting something non evidential scientifically yet using logic. Is science justified in dismissing logic on these grounds? I think not.
(September 30, 2009 at 10:34 am)theblindferrengi Wrote: I have never confirmed of denied if i think in my opinion the bible is logic or has some bit of reason, i do state the bible was more applicable to the peoples of hundreds of years ago than it is to us here today, as so much changes in such a long time; as you said, 'the morals in the bible are still good', but those are not affected by time, as an ethical lesson is an ethical lesson no matter what religion you are.I think you're honest and that I underestimate you. All the bible is about is morals and who and what God is. The historical and literal are of little or no importance and only serve to ground the real purpose of it.
