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Thanks for starting up this thread....I've read some of your more recent posts and you seem to alluding to a conflict in the proposed ideas about heaven. It's probably my fault, but I've reread some of the post and I'm unable to follow. Can you name them explicitly?
Here's my response to your previous post:
(November 7, 2012 at 2:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: It may be naive of me but the traditional picture of Heaven is a place where the saved go after shuffling off this mortal coil.
Well, that's just a temporary fix if you will. The eventual heaven is a restored earth. The concept your referring to is what happens before the grand finale.
(November 7, 2012 at 2:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: If there is to be no sin etc, then surely that infringes upon the free will of the heavenly tenants, since they will be unable even to commit a sin even accidentally?
You are correct, "free will" in heaven will not entail the ability to choose sin.
However Christians long for the day when they don't have to struggle to do the right thing...they will always want and be able to do the right thing.
(November 7, 2012 at 2:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Worse, they can only act in ways that accord with your god's "glory", worshipping it for all eternity, which as I stated upfront is a hell of a long time - a kind of infinity.
That's actually not a new thing...the Bible teaches that on this earth now all things (in the grand scheme) work for the glory of God. Heaven will be the same.
(November 7, 2012 at 2:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: A case in point can be lifted directly from your post. You say that "there will no longer be marriages, we will be more like you would imagine angels to be....completely content in our singleness". I was never content being single even before meeting up with my beloved Princess; I most certainly am not now after having her stolen from me. Obviously, there is little chance of my being considered for this new kingdom, since as an unbeliever I commit the one unforgivable sin. However, assuming for the moment that I do qualify for the housing list, I am to remain in this distressingly single state forever. Any version of me that has been reprogrammed so as accept this unhappy state is not going to be a me that anyone of my acquaintance is going to recognise, least of all me.
(November 7, 2012 at 2:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I'm interested too in how you expect businesses to work with all sin nullified. Aren't the overwhelming majority of businesses dependent on such 'sins' as greed, envy, lust perhaps? Even those ultra-rare businesses that might exist which operate on co-operative principles rely on a rigidly-defined system of demarcation, an us-and-them setup, which must inevitably lead to resentment of sorts between management and staff. I fear that such answers that may be offered for these matters are going to boil down at some point to 'godwillsit' or similar.
It is often that business do run on greed, but in heaven greed won't be something that one would have to struggle with. Businesses could be operated for the benefit fo the whole.