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Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong
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RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong
(November 12, 2012 at 8:15 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: What do we do with these people? We prevent them from creating more people at the very least.

It's certainly consistent with the pro-choice position to euthanize children born with down syndrome. We do that already, although before the fetus comes to term (see Rowe vs. Wade).

If Down Syndrome markers show on the CVS test (That's Chorionic Villi Sampling test, not the convenience store), then we proceed to abort. Over 90% of Down Syndrome births in Europe are aborted just like this already. And there is no real difference between a fetus inside or outside a womb for most medical ethicists today.

So the bottom line is, there's no problem with euthanizing people outside the womb. But if that's a problem we can start slowly, by legalizing sterilization first, so that they can't reproduce. The only problem is finding a convenient legal avenue in the American courts. We need 30 years at the most of consistently liberal Supreme Court selections till it's possible to start open, large-scale euthanasia or sterilization of some form in the US.

Now that the Republicans have been destroyed in this last election, we are ready to start this chain. Ruth Bader Ginsberg is already 79. Those achy bones need to be replaced with a young, liberal maverick.

And frankly it's about time.

Ok, so, as far as down syndrome goes, we automatically abort them before they're born. I'm assuming you'd do the same thing with many of the other genetic birth defects I mentioned, right? Parkinsons? Sickle Cell Anemia? What about traits that are partially genetic? Diabetes? Heart disease? Alcoholism? Mental illness? Are we going to eliminate those traits from our gene pool as well?

While you're considering that slippery slope, consider this one as well: social darwinism is generally used to justify objectivism. However, if you want to use social darwinism to emphasize traits that are productive to society, what do you do when someone decides they want to eliminate selfish douchebag genes from the gene pool? I think the world would be much better if we eliminated some of these greedy bastards like Grover Norquist, the Koch brothers and Donald Trump and I think the world would be much better if the kind of greedy traits they're known for were eliminated from the gene pool.
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Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 9, 2012 at 2:04 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Cyberman - November 9, 2012 at 2:18 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by downbeatplumb - November 9, 2012 at 2:19 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 9, 2012 at 2:32 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Cyberman - November 9, 2012 at 3:22 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 9, 2012 at 6:17 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2012 at 6:23 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 9, 2012 at 6:30 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Zen Badger - November 10, 2012 at 5:01 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Norfolk And Chance - November 26, 2012 at 9:00 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Whateverist - November 26, 2012 at 9:37 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by downbeatplumb - November 9, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Jackalope - November 9, 2012 at 2:50 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 9, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Kirbmarc - November 9, 2012 at 2:59 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by downbeatplumb - November 9, 2012 at 3:04 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Darth - November 9, 2012 at 3:01 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Minimalist - November 9, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Simon Moon - November 9, 2012 at 3:36 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Creed of Heresy - November 9, 2012 at 4:33 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2012 at 5:27 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by festive1 - November 9, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by festive1 - November 9, 2012 at 8:01 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by JohnDG - November 10, 2012 at 4:50 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by JDS - November 10, 2012 at 10:54 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by TaraJo - November 10, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 12, 2012 at 6:30 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by festive1 - November 12, 2012 at 6:45 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Jackalope - November 12, 2012 at 6:48 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 12, 2012 at 6:53 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Cato - November 12, 2012 at 8:14 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Edwardo Piet - November 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Anomalocaris - November 13, 2012 at 4:56 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Mister Agenda - November 13, 2012 at 4:41 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Cyberman - November 12, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Cyberman - November 12, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by festive1 - November 12, 2012 at 7:11 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 12, 2012 at 7:32 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 12, 2012 at 8:25 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Mister Agenda - November 13, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by TaraJo - November 12, 2012 at 7:46 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 12, 2012 at 8:15 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by TaraJo - November 12, 2012 at 9:11 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by TaraJo - November 12, 2012 at 7:31 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Darkstar - November 12, 2012 at 8:12 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by The Grand Nudger - November 12, 2012 at 8:30 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 12, 2012 at 8:52 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 12, 2012 at 9:17 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 12, 2012 at 10:32 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Cato - November 12, 2012 at 10:51 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by TaraJo - November 12, 2012 at 11:06 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Cato - November 12, 2012 at 11:49 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 13, 2012 at 11:48 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by TaraJo - November 13, 2012 at 1:24 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 14, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 14, 2012 at 2:59 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Darkstar - November 13, 2012 at 9:35 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Polaris - November 12, 2012 at 11:11 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by jonb - November 12, 2012 at 11:33 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2012 at 12:04 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2012 at 1:41 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Anomalocaris - November 13, 2012 at 2:27 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2012 at 4:59 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Edwardo Piet - November 13, 2012 at 5:02 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Anomalocaris - November 13, 2012 at 5:59 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2012 at 2:43 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 14, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Anomalocaris - November 14, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 14, 2012 at 8:27 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2012 at 3:04 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2012 at 8:28 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 14, 2012 at 8:32 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2012 at 8:35 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 20, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 20, 2012 at 9:25 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 20, 2012 at 10:18 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Cato - November 20, 2012 at 11:13 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 21, 2012 at 1:01 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Anomalocaris - November 21, 2012 at 1:38 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Whateverist - November 21, 2012 at 3:45 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 21, 2012 at 4:11 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Whateverist - November 21, 2012 at 7:56 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Anomalocaris - November 21, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 21, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Anomalocaris - November 21, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - November 22, 2012 at 3:01 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Whateverist - November 21, 2012 at 6:43 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2012 at 10:28 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by KichigaiNeko - November 21, 2012 at 7:42 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Ben Davis - November 21, 2012 at 11:08 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Mister Agenda - November 21, 2012 at 12:47 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Ben Davis - November 22, 2012 at 5:28 pm
So who is Vinny? - by Whateverist - November 21, 2012 at 1:40 pm
RE: So who is Vinny? - by genkaus - November 21, 2012 at 1:51 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Anomalocaris - November 21, 2012 at 2:18 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Anomalocaris - November 22, 2012 at 3:44 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by KichigaiNeko - November 22, 2012 at 7:55 am
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by mr.atheist - November 22, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by Cyberman - November 22, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: Social Darwinism: Right or Wrong - by mr.atheist - November 25, 2012 at 7:58 pm

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