Hell, or rather my brief experience of it.

[Drich]

So Yahweh isn't you god, and only Jesus, or do you mean both, as in the trinity?

The Jewish understanding of God/Yahweh's physical being has one consumed by the glory of God for their unresolved/unattoned sin. Christians do not have that problem as our sins have been attoned for. So in a sence, no we do not have the same understanding of God.

So they see a beam of light and conclude god? That would be a pretty flimsy argument for god. Now, you mean you saw Jesus, which is where I was confused because 'god' usually refers to Yahweh.

In my Dream/Vision I looked Christ in the eyes (my oppertunity to spit in one of them) I did not see what you would see when you physically look into another persons eyes. I saw and felt the potiential love He offered, I saw my short commings and everything I did that prevented me for eternaly experiencing that Love. (in an instant)

The seperation from that Love is what made Hell unbearable. His eyes contained my final judgement, to which their was absolutly nothing for me to say. Let alone spit. This judgement lead me to understand the reason we have been given this life. So when we face that judgement we know where our hearts truly stand. Their isn't any doubt in your mind why or where you should spend eternity.

So no shapless pillar of light that i can not look directly at nor really have a sence of how or where it is comming.. God is not just a 'presents.' as the muslim god is. (which btw corresponds to some descriptions or incarnations of lucifer the son of light, or bright and morning star)

How do you know this 'knowledge' is anything more than a delusion?

10 years of off and on research.

Do you have any outside sources to support the version of hell you experienced?

The Bible supports my experience of Hell if you look into the orginal Greek and Hebrew texts. Before this dream I had no idea that the Jews were given to one understanding of Hell, and Christ expanded on that view for the whole of Christianity. I only ever understood Hell to be a literal lake of fire or a series of caves where a red horned devil ruled the underworld. I know alot of people understand this to be hell because of all of the various books and art work commissioned by the middle ages church, but the bible has little to no support of this understanding of hell.

This understanding is a mixture of Greek mythos and passages from the NT. It takes alot of study and a commitment to what the bible actually says to get past this idea. I was given this understanding long before I could contextually back up this revelation with the bible.
Because i know this to be true, i know my experience to be genuine.

You weren't really A/S/King, now were you?

why because i was mad at God? Don't you think God knows when you are mad or when you are pretending to approach Him with some false idea of holiness?? Bottom line I was sincere in my anger, while many who approach him in respect are not. I may not have been as respectful as I should have been, but looking back I can honestly say I was not the first to 'approach' God this way. Many 'wrestle' with God before yeilding.

Why would you be bitter at something you didn't believe existed, and why would such a being [briefly] send you to hell when you were seeking him?

I was mad or bitter at the whole christian process. I wanted to know if their was indeed a God. By then My mother found him and I was hearing stories about how he had touched other lives. I went through the motions and found nothing, so that made me mad. Mad at everyone for BSing me because at that point. I knew their could Not be a real God because i had done everything they had done and I got nothing out of it.

What made it worse is the girl i went to church for left me for some guy (who looked like me but had a new [at the time new] Corvette) I had made a "deal" with her and her 'God', that If I could live happily ever after, i would do all the church stuff get baptized the confess the whole nine yards.. Even though I did not believe God was a real thing (simply nothing to say to me He was) I knew she was and she believed so at the time it was enough for me.

It took the break up of the girl for me to truly seek out God. I sought God for a selfish reason, but an honest one. In doing so I did activly follow the promise Christ out lines in Luke 11. I earnestly Ask, Sought, and knocked or rather kicked at the 'door,' and DEMANDED to be let in. So I was. Just like the persistent neighbor was given what I wanted. I was given EXACTLY what I wanted. (an oppertunity to spit in the eye of God.) I also got to experience what my efforts merrited.

Their is a much easier way. One that is not as wet the bed tramatic.. But I guess that depends on you and how hard your heart is.

Also, as has been noted, coming back alive from hell directly contradicts something god said at conclusion to the story of the rich man and Lazarus.

as I have been reminded by the good people at my old church... May I also remind you I didn't actually goto Hell it was just a dream/vision of the Gates of Hell. As bad as that was, I did not actually get into the hell Part of Hell.

I was going to ask you what you meant by 'photoshopped', and then I realized you meant an actual nazi propoganda poster. I wasn't trying to potray that image as a bona fide propoganda poster, I was simply showing the quote. Now, real religious propoganda looks something like this:

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Let's see, he looks kind of saint-like, has the impression of a halo, and a cross on his chest. His left arm is on the shoulder of a nazi with a swastica flag, and with his right he is smiting a three headed snake with a sword. Said snake happens to have the star of David on it twice.

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Again up until July 1 1941 the nazi's embraced Christianity. It wasn't till the eve of "Phase 3 of the Final Soultion" that Hitler became a god unto himself, thereby requiring all of the Nazi leadership to cast off their old religious affilations and swear aliegance to him. So the question becomes when was your poster printed.

Why? Because it is not unreasonable to say that Nazis loved christianity and used it in the beginning of their campain, (1933 to 1938, in '38 the started the seperation from the church) but as time progressed, and Hitler's plan for germany unfolded. God was no where to be found.

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Okay, so God spoke to me personally. Not through a dream, but right out in the open during daylight. I had pretty much the same story as Drich, with a few unimportant variations here and there. God told me that the bible was a frape of sorts, and that Satan perpetrated it. This made sense to me, as while God was telling me, I heard Satan lol and ask of God "U mad bro?" God then called Satan an oldfag and told him to lurk moar. Satan, not even perplexed by God's arrogance, responded with "Do you even lift?"

I know that all of this actually happened because when I woke up, Facebook existed and I was drawn to a page called Cheesus Christ. True story, Bro.

Mr. Smith or can I call you Joseph? I thought after the whole mormon thing, and being sent to hell for it, someone would have told you by now, that the way one knows the difference between Speaking to Christ and receiving a revelation from a 'familiar spirit' claiming to be of God or "Not Christ"/Anti-Christ is the fact that God will never contradict what has been written in scripture...