Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.

[John V]

Of course it is still subjective. Because chocolate is not objectively heavy (just as one example of how this remains what it began as). I think what may have tripped you up is that we both agree that getting sick is not desirable, but even this doesn't mean that "getting sick is not desirable" is objective....it merely means that we both agree on this. People are capable of sharing subjective opinions..you know, like whether or not vanilla is better than chocolate.

But, if you convince me that "getting sick is not desirable" is subjective, then I'll no longer find sickness to be a compelling reason, and you're back at square one.