Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.

[John V]

Desperation? I don't actually care John, I really don't. Again, "godopinesit" is a full stop because there is no avenue for elaboration whether or not the narrative is accurate. If you ask me why I opine it, I can tell you why, we can find the areas where we agree and disagree, and that allows us to weigh our respective opinions against each other..ultimately we may even be able to claim that one or the other is the "better" opinion. Happens to me plenty of the time. I go into something with an opinion, and after discussion my opinion changes. That the accuracy of the narrative can't be established is inconsequential to whether or not it can be elaborated upon, but very much relevant if someone feels that they are not required to elaborate upon what god opines. This is why a statement like "you would criticize god for doing the same thing" is so aggravating for me. Because god isn't giving any opinions - god isn't "doing the same thing" (even if he were- you just can't be fucking bothered to establish that can you), so already the comment is empty - meaningless...... but further, the "opinions" offered are not even opinions in any meaningful way if we line them up next to our own. But hey, feel free to elaborate on your opinion of why this is desperation? Maybe you have compelling reasons for holding this opinion?

1. The evidence line is a red herring, and red herrings are frequently acts of desperation intended to divert attention from a losing argument.

2. As previously noted, the written word isn’t meaningless just because the author can’t be quizzed.

Then that would make your explanations for your tastes compelling, an inability to be refuted (by definition no less)...so I suppose you agree with me after all.

I don’t have explanations for my tastes, so no, not compelling.

Compelling reasons can be given for subjective opinions,

Such as?

Now clearly I have no idea whether you feel that the opinions of god..whatever they may be, are subjective or objective,

Yes you do. I’ve been arguing that opinions are subjective.

I doubt that, and I bet if we explored it we'll end up two pages later in the same situation we are re: subjectivity and compelling reasons.

Feel free to try.

Again, doubtful. What keeps you from loving mushrooms one day, gagging on them the next, loving them again when you wake up the third - and then not giving two shits either way when you fall asleep that night?

My tastes, which are subjective and for which there is no compelling reason.

If you'd like to play a stonewalling game after I've been so participatory you can imagine the effect on my desire to continue this conversation with you, yes?

Please feel free to leave. The conversation with Darkstar was better. You butted into it, you know.

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If you are a Christian, a Jew, or a Muslim, or any other sect who pledges his or her soul to Yahweh, you are aiding and abetting a criminal.

Can you prove that Yahweh exists? If not, then your charge that I'm aiding and abetting a criminal is unfounded.