I'm a Catholicism sceptic!
(November 25, 2012 at 2:04 am)journeyinghowie Wrote: I believe that science (particularly physics) has basically proven that there is a God of some sort. Here's how:Incorrect. Even I don't use the argument, although I agree that claiming that the universe is able to self-create itself is untestable and strictly speaking not science, that doesn't mean that science has "proved otherwise". The thing that they exploit in their argument is time. Time from our perspective pushes forward indefinably. From our perspective it is a property of our universe, but it may not be, and if it isn't then it means that it functions apart from the universe, thus the universe doesn't have to begin at zero. But the more serious cosmologists like Hawkings imagine that time does exist as a property of our universe, and instead imagine quantizing general relativity. The passage of time is an illusion brought about by the properties of our universe, it isn't a real thing at all. In this scenario it is not important that time "reduces to zero" at the beginning of the universe. Basically the argument is that because we all agree that an expanding universe inevitably creates a whole bunch of stuff even if you start with just a small amount of matter, even a singularity, and because the universe itself has laws, those laws will see the emergence of matter regardless of whether you start with something or nothing at all. Hawkings claims the law of gravity alone is enough to create the universe (where and how we get the law is supposedly from string theory), basically gravity represents negative energy and matter represents positive energy. That's the theory, it doesn't violate physics as you claim it does.
Through the Big Bang theory, we see that the universe has now been widely accepted to have a beginning. We know that this beginning didn't spontaneously appear out of nothing, because nothing is a scientific impossibility*. Nothing can't create something, because it is nothing. It doesn't work. The only other possibility is that something created the universe.
Quote:So, something must have created the universe. If I go out and say, "God was the creator." you will most likely say, "Then who created God?" which is an amazing question. So lets explore it. If something created God, then something needed to create whatever created God, and something needed to create that, and something needed to create that, etc. You get an Infinite amount of creators (called an infinite regress), but you acknowledge that there is a creator of some sort.No it isn't, and your logic is totally flawed. You can not have an infinite regression.
--For reference, an infinite regress is something very hard to wrap your mind around.
