(November 28, 2012 at 1:53 am)Waratah Wrote:[/quote](November 28, 2012 at 12:16 am)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Fairness is not the same as non-discrimination.No argument, sometimes.
Sometimes it's fair to discriminate. Murderers, rapists, poison ivy, cyanide, that creepy girl who can't stop texting me for the past 8 months.
Quote:We all have things to discriminate against. I have no right to tell anyone how to discriminate, and they sure as hell don't have a right to tell me.You said sometimes first, which I agreed with. This sounds to me that you also agree that all discrimination is not okay. Now I am not talking about telling people what to discriminate against or not, but about government endorsed discrimination of the LGBT community which harms no one. If we did not "wage war"(for me it's arguing for a better world in my eyes) then just in my state it would still be illegal for people to perform a homosexual act(in the 1980's this was still the case, sad really). It's not stupid to try to change what you think needs to be changed in the world whether you are part of the community or not. I am not directly effected by this, but it effects my community in a negative way(mental health issues, drug abuse, suicides etc).
Based on that, waging war on any kind of discrimination is stupid.
I have been discriminated before and it was a very difficult for me to cope. I myself felt totally powerless to try to change anything. Changes were made due to some strong people in my particular minority and also outside the community. Now I could be wrong but I don't think changes would have taken place without the help of people who were outside the community.
Quote:Unless you can give me a good reason, I don't want to wage any kind of ideological war for anybody else.There maybe a good chance that you might feel pretty good about yourself by trying to help others.
Can I be honest with you? I'm impressed by your ability to pick up the nuances when it comes to discussions like this. They are a lot more complex than some simple minds give them credit for.
As for the matter of difference, I think some discrimination is bad, where my self-interest is at stake. You also think some discrimination is bad where your self-interest is at stake.
But for others, I can't judge. Between the government and LGBT people, I'll let them handle it.
The problem is, if I'll take one side, the other side will get mad. And who am I to say one side is better than the other? Maybe the government is right this time...
At the end of the day, if you choose to help one side you hurt the other side.
From a morally nihilistic perspective, maybe the government is the best. We are in no position to know.
After all, in a hypothetical world, if we all fought for gay equality, and in this parallel universe, the aids rate was now 50% of the population, would the activism become an act of good or evil?