RE: Why do christians think god communicates with warm fuzzy feelings instead of direct verbal speach?
December 1, 2012 at 12:11 am
(This post was last modified: December 1, 2012 at 12:37 am by Drich.)
[quote='Faith No More' pid='368010' dateline='1354285257']
I don't know, which is why I'm asking. I'm just wondering how you would determine a random circumstance that you happened to be able to interpret as consistent with the bible from guidance from god, or are you simply asserting that if it is consistent with the bible, it must be guidance from god?[/quote]If the situation was direction from God 1) it would not be random, and 2) would be consistant with Scripture. God would not give a revelation that went against what has already been established in the cannon of scripture.
[quote]So, you are certain that you interpret things correctly, because you have certianty in your ability to interpret things correctly?[/quote]More times than not yes.
[quote]Have you been able to confirm this outside of the bible?[/quote]Does a sucessful: Business, Ministry or Marriage count?
[quote='Cinjin' pid='368018' dateline='1354286593']
The holy spirit told me that Mexico is full of Catholics and that he hates catholics and that I should get an army together and go down there and kill every man, woman and child I can find. He told me not to spare anyone because they're influence could poison the minds or our good people. Bonus though, he said I could keep the land they live on and the possessions that they own. Perk.
What? You don't believe me?!!? How dare you!?!
If I was a 2000 year old tent maker and you were as big a dolt then as you are now, I'd already have you cutting babies out of their mother's bellies.
You see, the holy spirit speaks to ME ... he DOES NOT speak to the likes of YOU! You can't question this. I KNOW it to be completely real and authentic. What?! You still don't believe me?!!? It's time for you to die. My holy ghost does not appreciate your lack of belief. You are unworthy to be in our cult of love and obedience and we are going to have to kill you.
I know I know ... you don't believe me. It's just absurd. Yet, if the exact same thing is written 2000 years ago, it's totally believable. It's the ultimate hypocrisy: "I totally believe the Bible, but I would never do the atrocities today that god commanded them to do."
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...and this is how non christian religions/cults establish themselves. What makes an experience from the Holy Spirit 'Christian' is the consistance the experience has with Scripture.
[quote='Kousbroek' pid='368074' dateline='1354301922']
[quote]Bull .. you shot yourself in the foot you mean.[/quote]
If I did then the logical mind would conclude that the Orginal poster would have pointed this out and not conceeded the observation.
[quote]You answered: "The message has to be consistant with the bible."
Claiming a natural phenomenon has a divine origin needs some phenomenal evidence imo.[/quote]Now I see your problem. You believe the God who created the NATURAL Universe is Powerless in using the NATURAL Phemona to accomplish His will/His goals. May I ask why you believe this? Why or better yet What verse in the bible says The ALL Mighty God Can not use natural processes to accomplish His goals?
[quote]Oh yeah, you are one rational human being ... ( idiot )[/quote]
Oh, the Irony.
[quote='Darkstar' pid='368109' dateline='1354304817']
[quote]Suspend? [/quote]
He did not 'suspend" anything either. He showed the contrast between what God had indended, and how the 'religious' perverted the Law which was orginally intended as an act of freedom/enjoyment to a weekly prision sentence. The fact that He was able to Heal on that day show God to be on His side/ To support His interpertetion of the Sabbath.
[quote]He is right, though. There is no good reason to stop him from helaing people on Sundays just because it is work.[/quote]
The Sabbath is Saturday, not Sunday. Sunday has always been identified as the First Day of the week.
[quote] Of course, that indicates a flaw in the law, then. If picking up sticks is enough work for god to personally condemn someone for this, then surely this is work also.[/quote]
Maybe you look into Who was picking up sticks and why. If you can find the reason for someone to do this then. You will see the difference between 'picking up sticks' and Healing someone.
And Again, if The Father did not side with the Son here Christ would not have been able to do this mirical.
[quote]God is incapable of changing that rule? He's not omnipotent, then.[/quote]God can absolutly NOT Go against His nature. That is Why I always say the Omni aspects of God is a toxic doctrine.
I don't know, which is why I'm asking. I'm just wondering how you would determine a random circumstance that you happened to be able to interpret as consistent with the bible from guidance from god, or are you simply asserting that if it is consistent with the bible, it must be guidance from god?[/quote]If the situation was direction from God 1) it would not be random, and 2) would be consistant with Scripture. God would not give a revelation that went against what has already been established in the cannon of scripture.
[quote]So, you are certain that you interpret things correctly, because you have certianty in your ability to interpret things correctly?[/quote]More times than not yes.
[quote]Have you been able to confirm this outside of the bible?[/quote]Does a sucessful: Business, Ministry or Marriage count?
[quote='Cinjin' pid='368018' dateline='1354286593']
The holy spirit told me that Mexico is full of Catholics and that he hates catholics and that I should get an army together and go down there and kill every man, woman and child I can find. He told me not to spare anyone because they're influence could poison the minds or our good people. Bonus though, he said I could keep the land they live on and the possessions that they own. Perk.
What? You don't believe me?!!? How dare you!?!
If I was a 2000 year old tent maker and you were as big a dolt then as you are now, I'd already have you cutting babies out of their mother's bellies.
You see, the holy spirit speaks to ME ... he DOES NOT speak to the likes of YOU! You can't question this. I KNOW it to be completely real and authentic. What?! You still don't believe me?!!? It's time for you to die. My holy ghost does not appreciate your lack of belief. You are unworthy to be in our cult of love and obedience and we are going to have to kill you.
I know I know ... you don't believe me. It's just absurd. Yet, if the exact same thing is written 2000 years ago, it's totally believable. It's the ultimate hypocrisy: "I totally believe the Bible, but I would never do the atrocities today that god commanded them to do."
[/quote]
...and this is how non christian religions/cults establish themselves. What makes an experience from the Holy Spirit 'Christian' is the consistance the experience has with Scripture.
[quote='Kousbroek' pid='368074' dateline='1354301922']
[quote]Bull .. you shot yourself in the foot you mean.[/quote]

[quote]You answered: "The message has to be consistant with the bible."
Claiming a natural phenomenon has a divine origin needs some phenomenal evidence imo.[/quote]Now I see your problem. You believe the God who created the NATURAL Universe is Powerless in using the NATURAL Phemona to accomplish His will/His goals. May I ask why you believe this? Why or better yet What verse in the bible says The ALL Mighty God Can not use natural processes to accomplish His goals?
[quote]Oh yeah, you are one rational human being ... ( idiot )[/quote]

[quote='Darkstar' pid='368109' dateline='1354304817']
[quote]Suspend? [/quote]
He did not 'suspend" anything either. He showed the contrast between what God had indended, and how the 'religious' perverted the Law which was orginally intended as an act of freedom/enjoyment to a weekly prision sentence. The fact that He was able to Heal on that day show God to be on His side/ To support His interpertetion of the Sabbath.
The Sabbath is Saturday, not Sunday. Sunday has always been identified as the First Day of the week.
[quote] Of course, that indicates a flaw in the law, then. If picking up sticks is enough work for god to personally condemn someone for this, then surely this is work also.[/quote]
Maybe you look into Who was picking up sticks and why. If you can find the reason for someone to do this then. You will see the difference between 'picking up sticks' and Healing someone.
And Again, if The Father did not side with the Son here Christ would not have been able to do this mirical.
[quote]God is incapable of changing that rule? He's not omnipotent, then.[/quote]God can absolutly NOT Go against His nature. That is Why I always say the Omni aspects of God is a toxic doctrine.