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Why do you believe?
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RE: Why do you believe?
(December 1, 2012 at 2:33 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:
(December 1, 2012 at 2:29 am)The truth Wrote: The new testament, the early church, the thousands of souls who died for his name in the first century. Are you kidding me? Paul who once killed the church but was converted and served it until his death. The eye witness testimony showed evidence by how they over took the entire roman empire in only a small amount of years! And it wasn't with weapons. but with sighns and wonders, love, and the witness of Christ ressurection. There testimony has turned the world upside down for two thousand years. It's the reason why you're talking about it know. Christianity's effect in the first century is a known fact. There effect in anctient rome is also a known historical fact.

A small amount of years? wtf? That was like close to 400 years!
And again, the conversion of Paul, these "witnesses" you keep naming. It could easily be legend.
When I mean "took the entire roman empire in only a small amount of years!" I was referring to the religions of Rome. Christanity swept threw Rome like a wild fire in the first one hundred years with the gosple of Christ. Any historian can tell you that.

You say the witnesses can easily be legend but they can easily be real. Where's your proof for such a statements. atheist make statements like "there was no witnesses of Christ resurrection" but then when we give you witnesses you say there legend. You cant choose history. If they are witnesses they are witnesses. You might dont cnoose to believe it but its still history. The historical facts are the written new testament of the bible. And the church father's of the late and early second century.

(December 1, 2012 at 2:33 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:
(December 1, 2012 at 2:29 am)The truth Wrote: The new testament, the early church, the thousands of souls who died for his name in the first century. Are you kidding me? Paul who once killed the church but was converted and served it until his death. The eye witness testimony showed evidence by how they over took the entire roman empire in only a small amount of years! And it wasn't with weapons. but with sighns and wonders, love, and the witness of Christ ressurection. There testimony has turned the world upside down for two thousand years. It's the reason why you're talking about it know. Christianity's effect in the first century is a known fact. There effect in anctient rome is also a known historical fact.

A small amount of years? wtf? That was like close to 400 years!
And again, the conversion of Paul, these "witnesses" you keep naming. It could easily be legend.
When I mean "took the entire roman empire in only a small amount of years!" I was referring to the religions of Rome. Christanity swept threw Rome like a wild fire in the first one hundred years with the gosple of Christ. Any historian can tell you that.

You say the witnesses can easily be legend but they can easily be real. Where's your proof for such a statement? atheist make statements like "there was no witnesses of Christ resurrection" but then when we give you witnesses you say there legend. You cant choose history. If they are witnesses they are witnesses. You might not choose to believe it but its still history. The historical facts are the written new testament of the bible. And the church father's of the late and early second century.

(December 1, 2012 at 2:45 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
(December 1, 2012 at 2:29 am)The truth Wrote: The new testament, the early church, the thousands of souls who died for his name in the first century. Are you kidding me? Paul who once killed the church but was converted and served it until his death. The eye witness testimony showed evidence by how they over took the entire roman empire in only a small amount of years! And it wasn't with weapons. but with sighns and wonders, love, and the witness of Christ ressurection. There testimony has turned the world upside down for two thousand years. It's the reason why you're talking about it know. Christianity's effect in the first century is a known fact. There effect in anctient rome is also a known historical fact.



I'm referring specifically to the account of the resurrection / empty tomb story. At best all you have is second hand stories, and as nobody knows who wrote the gospels, you can't even reasonably claim that.

And frankly, without that, you've got nothing.
Nobody knows who wrote the gosples? Are you serious? Better yet where's your evidence for such claims? Lol is this a joke?
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Why do you believe? - by Gooders1002 - November 30, 2012 at 9:58 am
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - November 30, 2012 at 9:54 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - November 30, 2012 at 10:50 pm
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RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - November 30, 2012 at 10:52 pm
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RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - November 30, 2012 at 9:43 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Something completely different - November 30, 2012 at 10:00 pm
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Something completely different - November 30, 2012 at 10:43 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Faith No More - November 30, 2012 at 10:27 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - November 30, 2012 at 10:33 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - November 30, 2012 at 10:38 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - November 30, 2012 at 10:43 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Faith No More - November 30, 2012 at 10:47 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - November 30, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - December 1, 2012 at 12:39 am
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RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 12:46 am
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Minimalist - December 1, 2012 at 12:53 am
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RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 2:29 am
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Jackalope - December 1, 2012 at 3:03 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 3:47 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 4:58 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 5:17 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Jackalope - December 1, 2012 at 2:45 am
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 3:58 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - December 1, 2012 at 3:35 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - December 1, 2012 at 4:02 pm
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Minimalist - November 30, 2012 at 11:48 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 12:10 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - December 1, 2012 at 12:31 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 1:22 am
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 1:28 am
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RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 2, 2012 at 4:50 pm
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 4:47 am
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Gooders1002 - December 1, 2012 at 5:53 am
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Gooders1002 - December 1, 2012 at 5:31 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 1, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Something completely different - December 1, 2012 at 4:26 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Gooders1002 - December 1, 2012 at 7:54 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 2, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Gooders1002 - December 2, 2012 at 1:02 pm
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Gooders1002 - December 3, 2012 at 1:07 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Darkstar - December 3, 2012 at 5:49 pm
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 1, 2012 at 4:23 pm
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RE: Why do you believe? - by pocaracas - December 1, 2012 at 4:59 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by SpecUVdust - December 1, 2012 at 5:41 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Faith No More - December 2, 2012 at 12:33 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by The truth - December 2, 2012 at 12:57 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 2, 2012 at 4:56 pm
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RE: Why do you believe? - by median - December 9, 2012 at 10:24 pm
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RE: Why do you believe? - by FutureAndAHope - December 11, 2012 at 5:32 am
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Simon Moon - December 11, 2012 at 8:45 pm
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RE: Why do you believe? - by median - December 12, 2012 at 3:04 pm
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RE: Why do you believe? - by median - December 13, 2012 at 1:00 pm
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Jackalope - December 11, 2012 at 10:06 pm
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Faith No More - December 11, 2012 at 8:34 pm
RE: Why do you believe? - by Cyberman - December 13, 2012 at 7:20 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by FutureAndAHope - December 14, 2012 at 3:04 am
RE: Why do you believe? - by Voltron - December 14, 2012 at 3:25 am
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RE: Why do you believe? - by Cyberman - December 14, 2012 at 7:23 pm
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