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Why do christians think god communicates with warm fuzzy feelings instead of direct verbal speach?
RE: Why do christians think god communicates with warm fuzzy feelings instead of direct verbal speach?
(December 3, 2012 at 5:53 pm)Drich Wrote:
(December 2, 2012 at 8:14 pm)Brakeman Wrote:
(December 3, 2012 at 5:53 pm)Drich Wrote: He does. as i said it starts with feelings and matures into direction.

It's been my experience that The Holy Spirit speaks to us the whole time, we just don't know how to listen. It isn't until we learn to follow what God has told us to do, that we learn to hear/listen to the Holy Spirit.
So where is the biblical support for this communication development? Moses, Peter, Paul, and the other characters in the bible did not communicate with god in this severely retarded fashion. Do you have any basis for assuming that this is how god speaks to christians now other than your own "warm feelings?"
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Peter, or petra was called 'rock' by Jesus because He was Hard headed and had to learn things the hard way. He failed in his faith many times (On the storm tossed sea, when he chopped dudes ear off in the garden, before the cock crowed, at the foot of the cross) and everytime His faith left him God allowed him to sink or fall or whatever consenquence his action took the holy Spirit did not pick Him up nor correct him. When he failed he was allowed to Fall. Perhaps that is why He contributes relitivly little to the NT as a whole.

Paul was struck Blind for a time so he could see the short commings in his faith. Outside the one on one He had with Christ we do not have any example of the Holy Spirit speaking with him directly. He institued or defined Spiritual Fruit and the doctrine of Spiritual gifts, (which is what I have based my teaching one here coupled with what Christ had said on the subject.) Which you identified as 'retarded'

Fix your quotes next time Drich, you had your words quoted as mine in your post. I have fixed them here.

Why do you think the two paragraphs about peter and paul answer my questions above about your basis for believing that the fuzzy feelings is the way god now talks and directs?

Drich Wrote:
Brakeman Wrote:Furthermore, My dog can communicate better with me than your god can communicate with you. I know when he wants to stay, go out, or when he's hungry. Yet you think because you had feelings that you should stay with your wife in keeping up with your marriage vows and bowing to societal pressure that the feeling must have been a message from god.
It sounds to me that it could just as easily been a bad burrito.
That's sad. Because it sounds like you have invested more time with your dog than you have with trying to reach out to God.
Again a dodge of the question just to make a silly remark about me.
Drich Wrote:
Brakeman Wrote:How could the christian who authored the gospel of matthew have received the detail of the story and words from his divine inspirer if he could not receive any message from god any clearer than "feelings and direction?" Was he a fundamentally different type of christian than yourself?
Big Grin Matthew was one of the twelve. He witnessed what recorded.
Ha Ha, was that a joke or do you really believe that the apostle matthew was the actual author of the gospel of matthew? (Most serious biblical scholars do not)
No matter, take mark or luke for example in it's place, Do you think they were not 3rd person accounts that had to be relayed word for word through a mortal anonymous writer?

Drich Wrote:
Brakeman Wrote:I would like you to explain why every christian I know backs down into the same hole you do when confronted with the question of how god communicates to you.
Could you identify that hole for me?
The metaphor of "hole" I'm referring to is "god doesn't speak actual words in a voice to me, I just get a feeling."

Drich Wrote:
Brakeman Wrote:Despite the fact that it is obvious that the bible stories could not have been relayed through the authors in such a fashion and that bible itself doesn't state god's future communication methods, you seem unable to grasp the whole of the problem.
Big Grin Do you not understand or rather have you not read the story of the talents before?
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=ERV
Are you trying to follow a coherent conversation or just trolling? Please explain the relevance of the bride and bridegroom story to my question of how god stages a change in communication methods. This board is for conversation and open debate, not a platform for you to troll with fake answers. Please explain yourself.

Drich Wrote:Mat 25:14-30

I posted that so you can see from the wrod of Christ Himself that we are not all equall bless or rather we are not all given to the same level of understanding as a Peter or Paul would have been. we are only to be faithful to what we have been given. For it is by this measure we are judged and not by the standard one perceives A Peter or a Paul to have obtained.
The bridegroom story does not say that their are separate casts of christians, it is merely a silly story that one should stay aware and ready.
Only a thick coating of SPAG could bend it's meaning that much.
But, going along with your argument, if god did have a higher caste that he loved more, it still doesn't explain the hundreds of thousands of others that heard god speak with a real voice, but now he doesn't. Why aren't you one of the higher castes that god could actually speak with? What's wrong with all the sweet christian ladies that I know that never hear his voice, is god still a misogynist? Why can't black christians actually hear the voice of god, are they not allowed into his caste of favorites either?
Drich Wrote:
Brakeman Wrote:If god doesn't talk to you in anything but warm fuzzy feelings, then it's likely that god doesn't talk to anyone with anything different either.
Big Grin What are you talking about? When did Iu ever say this? Matter of Fact I posted a link to a direct conversation (oneway) I was apart of with a 'Messenger of God.'
A conversation is two way and must pass information. Your description of the story sounded to me as if it was nothing more than a feeling that you should stick with your wife. Did I miss something? Care to elaborate?


Drich Wrote:..
I gave a very specific example Of God communicating a very Direct message to me in a way consistant with the biblical examples.
No you didn't. You said that:

(November 28, 2012 at 11:19 am)Drich Wrote: He told me to Stick it out with my wife so long as she was 'repentant' (For the Herion thing) to not forsake her, and God would not forsake me. To spend 10 years working in the innercity missions, Most recently to answer your questions, and Go to a new church. Along with daily direction on where to take the business I manage for Him.

You didn't claim that jesus spoke to you through a voice or a burning bush, or through a donkey's ass. If you are making the claim now that god told you these things using a vocal voice that you heard with your ears, then tell us what his voice sounded like. Was it like James Earl Jones a deep bass, or more like twiggey's voice, a high squeal?

Jesus said: (matthew)
19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

So according to the scriptures you probably didn't do the right thing by staying with your wife. Jesus wanted you to forsake your wives if it held back your ministry, which dealing with an addict wife surely must have. It could have been satan that deceived you.
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RE: Why do christians think god communicates with warm fuzzy feelings instead of direct verbal speach? - by Brakeman - December 4, 2012 at 8:31 pm

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