RE: Is atheism a liberating and good experience?
December 10, 2012 at 5:52 am
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2012 at 6:39 am by Aractus.)
(December 3, 2012 at 12:23 am)naimless Wrote: I realise it isn't the "one true universal truth"; it is just the most harsh and probable one I've found considering there are over 2000 documented gods. I realise I will experience new things from this moment to my death - But I know I'll not experience the over 2000 gods and the over 7 billion perceptions of them in that time.Don't bite the hand that feeds you. You glossed over my post to you as if I had an agenda that is contrary to your sovereign being. I don't, all I said was there is much for you to discover. Depending on your passions and interests it could be history, arts, science, etc. There are many things in my life that are important to me and I'll tell you a secret - most of them are replaceable. I have an interest in science, but if I didn't have science I could substitute it for another interest. I have an interest in politics, but let's say the Liberal Party of Australia decided to rescind my membership for some conflict-of-interest reason, well I could substitute that for another interest. Or in the future I could become more involved in politics. The options available to me are as numerous as the options afforded to the Billions of people on the planet, and I am in a privileged position being that I'm in a very wealthy country to be able to take advantage of this. What you do is up to you.
(December 3, 2012 at 5:43 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: All it seems to me that you are saying is that not believing in god makes you unhappy, which of course daniel loves...Why don't you pull your head out of the sand and try not telling people what my opinion is - don't you think I'm capable of articulating my position myself?
Quote:No easy solution here and I suspect you are thinking of going back to religion to soothe your fears. Maybe you should if you are so weak minded, you'll find plenty of equally scared and weak minded individuals there who you can identify with.What's that smell? What a load of horseshit! Firstly, the OP may very well be "scared" and "weak minded" and you have no right to stigmatize that. Secondly, of course there are scared and weakminded Xians, and there are plenty of strong-minded confident ones as well. Again this is you stigmatizing people's weaknesses. You think I judge people for their weaknesses? I think you do. If the OP is bold enough and honest enough to open up about his vulnerabilities here, it is not your place to stigmatize. I find it admirable that he has been honest about his weak and vulnerable side, a side we all have and we all have to come to terms with.
And FYI I do not like to see anyone who is unhappy. Next time keep your bullshit to yourself.
(December 4, 2012 at 7:31 am)naimless Wrote: Well I agree... so why do Dawkins & co. persist in disturbing those who enjoy a spiritual life?That's a great question! It's not just Dawkins, a lot of atheists like to tell Christians and other religious people what to believe about their beliefs (with no expertise to do so). It'd be like a musician giving history lessons to seasoned anthropologists.
(December 4, 2012 at 10:01 am)naimless Wrote: How do I have free will if the environment of the universe is 13.7 billion years my superior? If I have free will it is because my determined environment has enabled me to believe in it, which is just as much of a delusion as believing in god is.The universe isn't deterministic. It has rules, it has "laws", but that doesn't necessitate it being "deterministic". That scientific line of reasoning is 60 years out of date today (or more than 100 years even if you view QM as shattering that world view forever).
