RE: Why does Jesus the shepherd leave his flock at the mercy of a Super Wolf?
December 11, 2012 at 10:04 pm
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2012 at 10:09 pm by Ryft.)
(December 11, 2012 at 7:09 am)Lion IRC Wrote: I don't think GIA was talking about God-fearing Christians being at Satan's ... mercy. That's not who he meant by "us."
He must have been talking about God-fearing Christians because he was referring to Christ's flock: "Why does Jesus the shepherd leave his flock at the mercy of a Super Wolf?" [1] You might argue that Christ's flock is made up of more than his sheep, but you would have to lose that argument in a separate thread since that discussion would hijack this thread.
(December 11, 2012 at 1:55 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: [In that case,] all the evil that Satan does is permitted by God. Okay. God then permits every rape and murder that happens.
Correct.
(December 11, 2012 at 1:55 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: You can either accept the statement without it or admit that the temptation of Christ was fake as Satan had nothing to tempt him with. Your choice.
Let us assume for the sake of argument, first, that Satan had something to tempt him with and, second, that it was dominion. Having granted that, please cite the biblical passages where it says that dominion over the earth was handed over to Satan by God. Please observe that I am not contesting your claim that Satan had dominion, but that it was handed to him by God.
(December 11, 2012 at 1:55 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Scipture speak of the wide road to Satan or the narrow road to heaven. Many are called, few are accepted.
Mostly true. [2] So then if I get your meaning here, when you say that "more sheep will be taken by Satan" [3] what you mean is that they will be lost to hell (which is where the wide road leads to). If so, then your claim is just flat out false; i.e., the scriptures do not say anywhere "that more sheep will be taken by Satan than protected by the shepherd." In fact, the scriptures state quite plainly that not a single one of the sheep will ever be lost.
(December 11, 2012 at 1:55 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Given by another poster above.
So you claimed that "Satan has been sentenced to hell by God," and when directly asked to substantiate that you decline. As Christopher Hitchens has said, "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." You have given us no reason to recognize or interact with your claim. You are quite possibly now making up accusations out of thin air.
[1] Post #1, par. 1; emphasis mine.
[2] I say "mostly" true because the passage says that many are called but few are chosen, which is significantly different theologically from "accepted."
[3] Post #1, par. 6.
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)