Why does Jesus the shepherd leave his flock at the mercy of a Super Wolf?

[Greatest I am]

(e.g., Job 1:12). So we are not at the mercy of Satan; he is at the mercy of the shepherd.

Which says that all the evil that Satan does is permitted by God. Ok.
God then permits every rape and murder that happens.

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Scriptures say that God gave Satan ... dominion over the earth and the power to deceive all of us on this world.

Wait, what? Citation(s), please.

You can either accept the statement without it or admit that the temptation of Christ was fake as Satan had nothing to tempt him with. Your choice.

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Especially since scriptures tell us that more sheep will be taken by Satan than protected by the shepherd.

Sorry, taken by Satan? What does that mean here?

Scipture speak of the wide road to Satan or the narrow road to heaven. Many are called, few are accepted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKOjV-wtpPc

Another breach of duty ... is that Satan has been sentenced to hell by God ...

He has? Citation(s), please.

Given by another poster above.

I appreciate the free will argument that some might put ...

I regret to tell you that you won't get that argument from me.

Good.

Regards
DL

[John V]

If you have to argue with cartoons, maybe you just don't have much of an argument.

[ronedee]

Actually, Christians should be asking atheists this question?

There is no power for satan except for what we(all of us) give him!

What do you mean by that? I assume you mean that we 'let' him decieve us. What about his actions in Revelation?

Revelations was a dream by St. John. And Job was a story concieved by several friends who threw-out a hypothetical question....probably at the local pub!

The Gospel is the only message one needs in the Holy Bible. Everything else is Historical, not necessarily critical.

[Greatest I am]

If you have to argue with cartoons, maybe you just don't have much of an argument.

I gave my explanation and source along with it. I am trying to keep things light so we do not get into name calling.

Are you on the wide road or the narrow one?

Regards
DL

[Darkstar]

Revelations was a dream by St. John. And Job was a story concieved by several friends who threw-out a hypothetical question....probably at the local pub!

The Gospel is the only message one needs in the Holy Bible. Everything else is Historical, not necessarily critical.

So what you are saying is that only the gospels are valid, and the rest of the bible is made up? (Or at least that Job and Revelation are untrue)
I assume you are trying to discount them because you don't agree with them, rather than from evidence. Although I will agree with you that a dream cannot be taken as good evidence...which is something a certain other member here should take note of. *cough* Drich *cough*

[Ryft]

I don't think GIA was talking about God-fearing Christians being at Satan's ... mercy. That's not who he meant by "us."

He must have been talking about God-fearing Christians because he was referring to Christ's flock: "Why does Jesus the shepherd leave his flock at the mercy of a Super Wolf?" [1] You might argue that Christ's flock is made up of more than his sheep, but you would have to lose that argument in a separate thread since that discussion would hijack this thread.

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[In that case,] all the evil that Satan does is permitted by God. Okay. God then permits every rape and murder that happens.

Correct.

You can either accept the statement without it or admit that the temptation of Christ was fake as Satan had nothing to tempt him with. Your choice.

Let us assume for the sake of argument, first, that Satan had something to tempt him with and, second, that it was dominion. Having granted that, please cite the biblical passages where it says that dominion over the earth was handed over to Satan by God. Please observe that I am not contesting your claim that Satan had dominion, but that it was handed to him by God.

Scipture speak of the wide road to Satan or the narrow road to heaven. Many are called, few are accepted.

Mostly true. [2] So then if I get your meaning here, when you say that "more sheep will be taken by Satan" [3] what you mean is that they will be lost to hell (which is where the wide road leads to). If so, then your claim is just flat out false; i.e., the scriptures do not say anywhere "that more sheep will be taken by Satan than protected by the shepherd." In fact, the scriptures state quite plainly that not a single one of the sheep will ever be lost.

Given by another poster above.

So you claimed that "Satan has been sentenced to hell by God," and when directly asked to substantiate that you decline. As Christopher Hitchens has said, "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." You have given us no reason to recognize or interact with your claim. You are quite possibly now making up accusations out of thin air.

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[1] Post #1, par. 1; emphasis mine.

[2] I say "mostly" true because the passage says that many are called but few are chosen, which is significantly different theologically from "accepted."

[3] Post #1, par. 6.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

I thought Satan was sentenced to hell in Revelation?

[Lion IRC]

If you have to argue with cartoons, maybe you just don't have much of an argument.

It works fine on the intended audience.

[Darkstar]

I thought Satan was sentenced to hell in Revelation?

At the end...after he took over the world. Twice.
Absolute takeover:

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Revelation 12:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

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Revelation 13The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

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5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

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11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.

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14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,

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Revelation 19:19-21 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

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So, he killed everybody who Satan tricked/forced to fight...nice.

[Temporary for who knows what reason] imprisonment:

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Revelation 20:1-3 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

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Brief takeover:

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Revelation 20:7-10 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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And...everybody dies in battle because they were all tricked by Satan. Why did god let him out again?

[Cato]

If you have to argue with cartoons, maybe you just don't have much of an argument.

It works fine on the intended audience.

What does this say about the believers that send Jim Bakker money? Talk about an 'intended audience'. At least P.T. Barnum was honest about his intentions. Barnum never stooped so low as to take your money for a promised and unknowable future.