RE: Merry Fucking Xmas, Jesus Freaks
December 21, 2012 at 1:25 pm
(This post was last modified: December 21, 2012 at 1:41 pm by YahwehIsTheWay.)
Fellow Christians, are you tired of these Jesus mythers ruining the free ride we get from the insertion of our Lord into history?
In the good old days, we could silence them with the proper application of torture, forced confession and a burning at the stake. Unfortunately, those arrogant liberals have passed all these laws that say we can't use traditional methods of conversion anymore. Fear not, though, since there are still ways to shut them up or marginalize them in any discussion. Just follow these steps and you'll soon be a defending the faith like a pro:
Step 1: The Ad Hominem
The easiest way to win an argument is to simply not have it. Immediately move to dismiss the skeptic as a "crackpot". If you feel the need to be civil, say "outside of mainstream scholarship".
Dovetail these insults with some appeal to ridicule, with false comparisons to completely unrelated crackpottery about Jesus, like "Oh, someone's been reading Dan Brown's D'Vinci code."
Even if the debate proceeds to step 2, with any luck, you've poisoned the well before the skeptic can even present any objections.
Step 2: Appeal to Authority
Your opening salvo, once you are forced to take the Jesus skeptic seriously, is to appeal to scholarly consensus. "All the scholars say..." This argument works well because we Christians may not be able to execute anyone for blasphemy but we can still ruin careers and get professors fired for saying offensive things about our religion, so most can be convinced to go with the program or at least assume a Jesus, leaving him to the theologians to debate.
If the skeptic names a scholar who doubts a Jesus existed, such as Robert Price, you can refine your appeal to authority with a no-true-Scotsman argument, "no serious scholar...". What's a serious scholar? One who doesn't doubt that Jesus existed, of course.
Make sure to drag out this stage of the debate as long as possible to wear down your opponent and any spectators. Ignore repeated demands for evidence and just keep repeating the assertions that all the scholars are behind you. Drop names of specific scholars to mask the argumentum ad neuseum. I remember one apologist who stretched this stage out past literally seven demands for evidence before finally going to the next stage.
Step 3: The Usual Suspects
OK, arrive at this stage as late as possible and don't linger here long. The evidence is thin but here are the items you can trot out.
1. The Annals of Tacitus
2. The Testimonium Flavianum of Josephus
3. The Jamesian Reference of Josephus
If the savvy skeptic is familiar with these items, don't worry. Any objections to these items should be met with a dismissive "well, the scholars don't agree with you." and you can dance back to step 2.
Step 4: Jesus-of-the-Gaps
The savvy skeptic will note the oddity that such a controversial religious leader captured no one's attention during his lifetime and produced only a few late, oblique and questionable scraps in later centuries. Don't worry. Jesus conveniently shrinks down from "greatest story ever told" to "some guy who falls in the cracks of our knowledge" in the blink of an eye.
Jesus should become some obscure rabbi that only preached to the rabble and never generated much controversy while he lived. Ignore all the references in the Bible that say otherwise.
Shove the burden of proof onto the skeptic by demanding they prove this obscure rabbi with a common name for the time and place didn't exist.
Step 5: Wash, Rinse, Repeat
If none of this works, just hit the reset button and start over with step 1. You "win" when your opponent gets discouraged and goes home.
Praise the Sweet Name of Jesus!
EDIT: By the way
We don't call it "torture" or "burning at the stake" when we subject heathens to our righteous wrath.
We call these things "enhanced conversion techniques".
In the good old days, we could silence them with the proper application of torture, forced confession and a burning at the stake. Unfortunately, those arrogant liberals have passed all these laws that say we can't use traditional methods of conversion anymore. Fear not, though, since there are still ways to shut them up or marginalize them in any discussion. Just follow these steps and you'll soon be a defending the faith like a pro:
Step 1: The Ad Hominem
The easiest way to win an argument is to simply not have it. Immediately move to dismiss the skeptic as a "crackpot". If you feel the need to be civil, say "outside of mainstream scholarship".
Dovetail these insults with some appeal to ridicule, with false comparisons to completely unrelated crackpottery about Jesus, like "Oh, someone's been reading Dan Brown's D'Vinci code."
Even if the debate proceeds to step 2, with any luck, you've poisoned the well before the skeptic can even present any objections.
Step 2: Appeal to Authority
Your opening salvo, once you are forced to take the Jesus skeptic seriously, is to appeal to scholarly consensus. "All the scholars say..." This argument works well because we Christians may not be able to execute anyone for blasphemy but we can still ruin careers and get professors fired for saying offensive things about our religion, so most can be convinced to go with the program or at least assume a Jesus, leaving him to the theologians to debate.
If the skeptic names a scholar who doubts a Jesus existed, such as Robert Price, you can refine your appeal to authority with a no-true-Scotsman argument, "no serious scholar...". What's a serious scholar? One who doesn't doubt that Jesus existed, of course.
Make sure to drag out this stage of the debate as long as possible to wear down your opponent and any spectators. Ignore repeated demands for evidence and just keep repeating the assertions that all the scholars are behind you. Drop names of specific scholars to mask the argumentum ad neuseum. I remember one apologist who stretched this stage out past literally seven demands for evidence before finally going to the next stage.
Step 3: The Usual Suspects
OK, arrive at this stage as late as possible and don't linger here long. The evidence is thin but here are the items you can trot out.
1. The Annals of Tacitus
2. The Testimonium Flavianum of Josephus
3. The Jamesian Reference of Josephus
If the savvy skeptic is familiar with these items, don't worry. Any objections to these items should be met with a dismissive "well, the scholars don't agree with you." and you can dance back to step 2.
Step 4: Jesus-of-the-Gaps
The savvy skeptic will note the oddity that such a controversial religious leader captured no one's attention during his lifetime and produced only a few late, oblique and questionable scraps in later centuries. Don't worry. Jesus conveniently shrinks down from "greatest story ever told" to "some guy who falls in the cracks of our knowledge" in the blink of an eye.
Jesus should become some obscure rabbi that only preached to the rabble and never generated much controversy while he lived. Ignore all the references in the Bible that say otherwise.
Shove the burden of proof onto the skeptic by demanding they prove this obscure rabbi with a common name for the time and place didn't exist.
Step 5: Wash, Rinse, Repeat
If none of this works, just hit the reset button and start over with step 1. You "win" when your opponent gets discouraged and goes home.
Praise the Sweet Name of Jesus!
EDIT: By the way
We don't call it "torture" or "burning at the stake" when we subject heathens to our righteous wrath.
We call these things "enhanced conversion techniques".
"You don't need facts when you got Jesus." -Pastor Deacon Fred, Landover Baptist Church
: True Christian is a Trademark of the Landover Baptist Church. I have no affiliation with this fine group of True Christians because I can't afford their tithing requirements but would like to be. Maybe someday the Lord will bless me with enough riches that I am able to.
And for the lovers of Poe, here's your winking smiley:
: True Christian is a Trademark of the Landover Baptist Church. I have no affiliation with this fine group of True Christians because I can't afford their tithing requirements but would like to be. Maybe someday the Lord will bless me with enough riches that I am able to.
And for the lovers of Poe, here's your winking smiley: