new thread for old RE: Atheists, what do you believe is the best argument for the existence of a deity?
January 1, 2013 at 8:04 am
I in my ignorance committed the faux pas of necroposting and have been politely asked to start a new one so I have.
the discussion from my input on was as follows
RE: Atheists, what do you believe is the best argument for the existence of a deity?
(Today 09:12)Zen Badger Wrote:
(Today 09:09)Mark 13:13 Wrote:
The best arguement for the existence of God is personal experience; it may not convince other people but it sure as hell is much stronger than any amount of wonderfully crafted words and logic, if anything all the arguement really can act as a barrier to people really opening themselves to personal experience.
So when a serial killer says that god commanded him to commit his crimes we should take his word for it then?
Nope but if he really believed God spoke to him then trying to convince him otherwise will take some doing. Now Zen I'm going to challenge you with an extreme example and ask you to be honest and suspend your disbelief for a moment. If you were alive and an apostle of Jesus Christ and you watched him die on the cross and then met him again a few days later and chatted with him in the company of others and later again watched Jesus ascend into the sky. Could any evidence anyone try to give you that it didn't happen convince you otherwise, would you face death and still not change your mind?
RE: Atheists, what do you believe is the best argument for the existence of a deity?
(Today 09:30)Mark 13:13 Wrote:
(Today 09:12)Zen Badger Wrote:
So when a serial killer says that god commanded him to commit his crimes we should take his word for it then?
Nope but if he really believed God spoke to him then trying to convince him otherwise will take some doing. Now Zen I'm going to challenge you with an extreme example and ask you to be honest and suspend your disbelief for a moment. If you were alive and an apostle of Jesus Christ and you watched him die on the cross and then met him again a few days later and chatted with him in the company of others and later again watched Jesus ascend into the sky. Could any evidence anyone try to give you that it didn't happen convince you otherwise, would you face death and still not change your mind?
Let's stick to the original question shall we....
So why we accept your "revelation" of god but not the serial killers?
In both cases your claims have equal evidence and validity.
So why yours and not his?
my response now
I am not changing the question but rather an creating a hypothetical situation in order to demonstate why when it come to a persons belief the subjective experience is often the over-riding reason for the belief over any amount of objective arguement. How the person gets to that subjective experience well now that's a whole new can of worms. So just to make me a little happier even though you don't see the point, please answer the hypothetical question asked and you can put that on your list of good deeds for the day.
the discussion from my input on was as follows
RE: Atheists, what do you believe is the best argument for the existence of a deity?
(Today 09:12)Zen Badger Wrote:
(Today 09:09)Mark 13:13 Wrote:
The best arguement for the existence of God is personal experience; it may not convince other people but it sure as hell is much stronger than any amount of wonderfully crafted words and logic, if anything all the arguement really can act as a barrier to people really opening themselves to personal experience.
So when a serial killer says that god commanded him to commit his crimes we should take his word for it then?
Nope but if he really believed God spoke to him then trying to convince him otherwise will take some doing. Now Zen I'm going to challenge you with an extreme example and ask you to be honest and suspend your disbelief for a moment. If you were alive and an apostle of Jesus Christ and you watched him die on the cross and then met him again a few days later and chatted with him in the company of others and later again watched Jesus ascend into the sky. Could any evidence anyone try to give you that it didn't happen convince you otherwise, would you face death and still not change your mind?
RE: Atheists, what do you believe is the best argument for the existence of a deity?
(Today 09:30)Mark 13:13 Wrote:
(Today 09:12)Zen Badger Wrote:
So when a serial killer says that god commanded him to commit his crimes we should take his word for it then?
Nope but if he really believed God spoke to him then trying to convince him otherwise will take some doing. Now Zen I'm going to challenge you with an extreme example and ask you to be honest and suspend your disbelief for a moment. If you were alive and an apostle of Jesus Christ and you watched him die on the cross and then met him again a few days later and chatted with him in the company of others and later again watched Jesus ascend into the sky. Could any evidence anyone try to give you that it didn't happen convince you otherwise, would you face death and still not change your mind?
Let's stick to the original question shall we....
So why we accept your "revelation" of god but not the serial killers?
In both cases your claims have equal evidence and validity.
So why yours and not his?
my response now
I am not changing the question but rather an creating a hypothetical situation in order to demonstate why when it come to a persons belief the subjective experience is often the over-riding reason for the belief over any amount of objective arguement. How the person gets to that subjective experience well now that's a whole new can of worms. So just to make me a little happier even though you don't see the point, please answer the hypothetical question asked and you can put that on your list of good deeds for the day.
