The argument from morality is scary.

[Mark 13:13]

Captain Scarlet I appreciated the unbiased way you made your excellent point in the first paragraph but the second paragraph mmmh. " demagogue" is this a tittle you would give to just Theists. Theistic morality "subject to their own mania," leaving the word mania aside, do not most people who consider themselves Theists not tend to associate with a particular religion and as such have less independence to pursue there own mania. flat out absurdities followed by a list of words that would suggest that any Theist view on these matters has to be absurd. Theism and its track record of getting things wrong ; of course science does not; and atheist do not. Of course it would be interesting to have the debate as to when science and religion in civilisations history parted company. By the last sentence any pretence about attempting to make an unbiased comment has gone completely.