RE: Did Dawkins and Tyson say that and what are the implications.
January 3, 2013 at 5:32 pm
(This post was last modified: January 3, 2013 at 5:39 pm by Mark 13:13.)
(January 3, 2013 at 4:46 pm)Faith No More Wrote:(January 3, 2013 at 4:12 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: I'm far from certain, I would actually believe that its likely many have come out of some form or religious background and through some process or other lost faith. But i don't believe that it can't be regained and ( don't start screaming at me every time I mention Bible ) there are several stories in the bible where Christ for whatever reason made some people work a little harder before he helped them. Even the chosen people had to endure 40 days in the desert before they got to the promised land.
Well, you may see it as a "loss of faith," but we see it as an acceptance of reality and reason. To get someone that has come to that conclusion to reconsider their postion you are going to have to appeal to reason, not appeal to them to reexamine faith, which is essentially an appeal to emotion, and using your emotions to determine truth is a failing endeavor.
As for God making some work harder than others, does that seem fair? You and I both have the same risk, the fate of our eternal soul, but for some reason he may require me to put in more effort? Did you ever stop to think that such stories are a ploy to keep the credulous from admitting that their search for god has yielded no results?
No it doesn't seem fair to my mind (uno where I go with that so wont bore you) , as far as appealing to reason why would I when reason took you to where you are along with whatever life experiences you had. But I can't resist typing what was just on the tv as I glanced across, (I wasn't watching one of the kids was) . Maybe there's something in it for you or maybe it was just a co incidence but the Movie was the recent comedy NOAH and the guy who normaly plays GOD in these ( can't rem name ) is advising NOAH wife says something along these lines. When someone prays to GOD for courage do you think he gives him courage or the opportunity to have courage, or when someone prays for patience does GOD give them patience or the opportunity to learn to be patient so maybe if you pray to GOD for faith GOD provides the opportunity to learn to have faith.
(January 3, 2013 at 4:42 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(January 3, 2013 at 4:38 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: No place for probability in science mmmh
I see you're as honest in representing me as you are in representing Dawkins.
I never said there is no place for probability in science. If you're going to paraphrase try: Whether God can be part of a scientific theory is a matter of the definitions of 'God' and 'scientific theory', not probability.
I'm losing faith in your good faith.
(January 3, 2013 at 4:40 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: So is a Scientific Theory a fact?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
Well I got lost in your words if I read them wrong then sry but so I can be clear before I answer are you saying that GOD can only exist if he can be defined properly ? or if scientific theory accepts him ? what exactly are you saying.
