(January 5, 2013 at 8:34 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote:(January 5, 2013 at 7:33 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The cosmological argument are you serious!
Just stating that there was an uncaused first cause makes no sense.
It just pushes the question back to what caused the first cause or trying with no evidence to explain why the uncaused cause is excempt from having a cause.
It explains nothing so I reject it.
well it doesn't explain or prove anything but it does force some valid questions , can something exist without a cause? this does not in itself lead to God but it's interesting to explore where it leads.
You keep talking about cause missing the fact that QM is not arguing either way at this point caused or uncaused. We don't know currently. BUT what WAS NEVER REQUIRED, was an invisible magical super brain to start everything.
Finite or infinite does not require a thinking being. God believers want that superstitious starting point. Science says whatever happened a being did not start it.
Human evolution and our flawed perceptions as a species are the reason all god concepts exist(as mere claims). Because it is a phychological antropromorphic reflection of our species narcissism in our REAL desire to continue.
God belief is just a fiction we make up as a species that reflects our wisfhul thinking in wanting to continue on.
