RE: Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge
January 8, 2013 at 2:24 am
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2013 at 2:31 am by Drich.)
(January 7, 2013 at 10:15 pm)ThomM Wrote: In law - there is a concept called either Depraved Ambivalence or Depraved indifference - In which a person who KNOWS a crime will be committed has a duty to inform the authorities or do something to prevent that crime - and failure to do that is equivalent to abetting the crime - and is normally applied to Major crime like murder - terrorism - rape - sex crimes on children - etc.
WE call a person who watches people commit illegal sex acts to be a "pervert."
If a god actually existed - and was - as claimed by the religions - almighty - all seeing and all knowing - then
Today - more than 3000 babies and very young children will be sexually molested by a family member.
IF a god is ALL KNOWING - it knows that will happen
IF a god is ALL SEEING - it actually watches it happen
AND if a god WERE almighty - it would supposedly have the ability to PREVENT it from happening
If ALL the god does is sit there and look down - it is a depraved pervert
So your version of Epericus' paradox?
In short free will. If God stops us from doing what we want then we do not have the ablity to truly be apart from His Expressed Will. God is not the super hero your sunday school teacher made Him out to be. God set the ground rules to a point where no one could keep them, and then set a way for those who loved Him to attone for those broken rules. This is the "free will" I speak of not the freedom to choose to do as we want. For we are slaves to sin (forced or bound to it.) Free will is the ablity to Love God and seek attonement from sin. Evil or the ablity to be evil and rape and destroy is the oppsite of the will to Love God. this is the Choice we have. With out the ablity to truly Hate God we have no will of our own. This hate is manifest in the things Epericus mentioned. In short Evil or rather the ablity to do evil is the proof of Free will.
So No evil, no Free Will. So to recap: Why does God allow evil things to happen? Because He has given us the gift of free will (the ablity to love and seek attonement from Him. Evil is the by product of those who do not love God nor want anything to do with him.
(January 7, 2013 at 10:21 pm)Ryantology Wrote:Drich Wrote:You do know I have google right? So you will know that when I type in Morder witch hunt Africa" I get a list on non Christian tribes men hunting and killing (mostly women) for putting curses on their villiages and or family members. Witch hunts are and always have been apart of Sub-Saharan African culture. Christianity is a new adaptation being incoperated into that culture. in some ways very sucessfully and others not so much. given enough time and the chance Christ will put a stop to witch hunts in their culture as He did in western culture.
Unfortunately, Christ still loves genocide and still hates gay people.
from you pov it appears so.
(January 7, 2013 at 11:04 pm)Faith No More Wrote:Drich Wrote:Christ allow the church to grow into a perverse monster for a reason, to allow it to mature and grow into what it was always meant to be. Why? because we (Christian's) Needed to see the progression to fully understand who we are and what it is the church is supposed to be. Christian needed that thorn in our collective flesh to help us retain true humility. So that we do not boast of the greatness of man made worship, but to give glory to the attonement that truly saves and not to our own efforts.
Wow. How arrogant can you get? Christ allowed torture and genocide in his name simply so you and others could gain understanding? To believe others were allowed to be slaughtered so you could gain a unique perspective on your religion is nothing short of sickening. You are justifying your God's complete indifference to human life by saying, "well, I benefited from it, so that must have been the reason."
Fuck me, that's disgusting.
what a narrow view of life.
Would you not gladly live 40 to 50 years as a popper in exchange for eternal bliss? what if this bliss was gifted to all of the like minded who came after you? wouldn't you sacerfice yourself for the billions that would follow the trail you have blazed? Wouldn't you do this for yourself?
Your comment is why Christ said: "In order to become the First in the Kingdom of Heaven you are to make yourself last" (and subsequently the last shall become first.) Those who suffer and die will be held higher than those who benfit from said suffering.
