(January 8, 2013 at 7:11 pm)Surtr Wrote:(January 8, 2013 at 6:57 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: the first statement as if we are allowed to imagine is there a limit to what we can imagine? some may be able to that you could have a creator of the creator of a universe which would be a greater achievement that the first statement and this could go on forever as has been pointed out in other contexts on other threads.
It's actually completely irrelevant whether the creation of the universe is the greatest achievement possible. What matters is whether or not it is a truly great achievement. I think I can safely say that it is.
I see your point so i've re read it with that in mind so i'm looking at point 2 which links the merit of the achievement with the ability of the creator, it takes no account of the possability that it was an accident by the creator rather than any intent so to my mind is someone accidently does something it would'nt deserve the same level of merit as someone who actually consciously does something for example someone looking at the patterns of inconsistancies in tidal flows to work out there is a dangerous rock under the surface and then going out to check as opposed to someone whose ship hits the rock and sinks and then finds the rock. The merit of the achievement would have to take account of the process that led to the achievement also. I would think.
