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Burden of Proof
RE: Burden of Proof
(January 8, 2013 at 7:57 pm)Surtr Wrote:
(January 8, 2013 at 7:54 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: unless you take it as default that logic is the ultimate tool of the intellect and ultimately the only arbiter of truth.

I wouldn't necessarily say that. By logic I meant determining whether something is possible, determining whether it can be observed, whether the evidence for it backs it firmly, whether there are any unanswerable problems with it, etc.

i'm in agreement with you ; just rambled on bitBig Grin

(January 8, 2013 at 8:04 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(January 8, 2013 at 7:40 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: As far as proofs go in relation to GOD i have stated it clearly before that no one can ever prove or disprove so every proof to me is just a game with words and ideas that we go on endlessly until we cease to exist or GOD shows himself. Should the later happen I can't believe He will be bothering with proofs.

Still don't understand the entire 'burden of proof' thingy, I see.

Burden of proof is not dependent on opinion or wishful thinking. It is always very easy to determine where burden of proof lies. And it is NOT with those of us that don't believe your claim that a god exists that have the burden of proof.

To reiterate, a book on basic logic would be very helpful for you.

understand does not equal accept. A book on logic would be useful if the strength of my position rested there, but as this is as much a personal exploration of the subject even though I am sharing it with you on the forum, I rather read what applies to my needs first as no amount of logic will work with you guys in my opinion based on the fact that both positions are unprovable and I don't accept the burden of proof. I understand and accept that others find my position to be some or all of the following untolerable, illogical,stubborn, foolish, hypocritical and any number of more derogative terms but it is my position.
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Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 6, 2013 at 7:09 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Minimalist - January 6, 2013 at 7:22 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 6, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 6, 2013 at 7:33 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 6, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 6, 2013 at 7:51 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 6, 2013 at 7:55 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 6, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 6, 2013 at 7:47 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by pocaracas - January 6, 2013 at 8:02 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 6, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by pocaracas - January 7, 2013 at 5:51 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 3:34 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by pocaracas - January 6, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Minimalist - January 6, 2013 at 8:16 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 3:01 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 6, 2013 at 8:28 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by FallentoReason - January 6, 2013 at 9:32 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 3:59 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Esquilax - January 7, 2013 at 8:22 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Minimalist - January 7, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by FallentoReason - January 7, 2013 at 4:37 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Zen Badger - January 7, 2013 at 5:53 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Psykhronic - January 7, 2013 at 11:51 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by genkaus - January 7, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Annik - January 7, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mister Agenda - January 7, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 4:10 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 4:26 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 4:21 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 4:46 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 4:43 pm
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RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 4:50 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cyberman - January 7, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 5:07 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Fidel_Castronaut - January 7, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cinjin - January 7, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cyberman - January 7, 2013 at 5:52 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 5:46 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cinjin - January 7, 2013 at 6:00 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Darkstar - January 7, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 6:25 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Darkstar - January 7, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 6:18 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Darkstar - January 7, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 6:40 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 6:19 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Violet - January 7, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Edwardo Piet - January 7, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Edwardo Piet - January 7, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Welsh cake - January 7, 2013 at 6:27 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cyberman - January 7, 2013 at 6:36 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cyberman - January 7, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 7:05 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cyberman - January 7, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by pocaracas - January 7, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 7:17 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 7:57 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by pocaracas - January 8, 2013 at 8:02 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 8:23 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Psykhronic - January 7, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 8:19 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cinjin - January 7, 2013 at 8:59 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 8:22 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 8:32 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 8:42 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 8:50 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cinjin - January 7, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 9:35 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cinjin - January 7, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cyberman - January 7, 2013 at 9:05 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 9:10 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cyberman - January 7, 2013 at 9:37 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 9:23 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Angrboda - January 8, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 9:38 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Esquilax - January 8, 2013 at 1:34 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2013 at 9:50 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by FallentoReason - January 7, 2013 at 10:55 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 8, 2013 at 3:12 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 8, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 8, 2013 at 3:27 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 8, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by downbeatplumb - January 8, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Welsh cake - January 8, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 8, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 8, 2013 at 6:57 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Surtr - January 8, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 8, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 8, 2013 at 7:24 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 8, 2013 at 7:40 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Surtr - January 8, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 8, 2013 at 7:54 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Surtr - January 8, 2013 at 7:57 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 8, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 8, 2013 at 8:17 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 8, 2013 at 8:48 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Surtr - January 8, 2013 at 8:58 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 8, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Surtr - January 8, 2013 at 9:39 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 8, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 8, 2013 at 11:28 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 9, 2013 at 12:26 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 9, 2013 at 12:55 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 9, 2013 at 1:11 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Zone - January 9, 2013 at 1:18 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 9, 2013 at 1:19 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 8, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Surtr - January 8, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Edwardo Piet - January 8, 2013 at 5:07 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cyberman - January 8, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 8, 2013 at 6:42 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cyberman - January 8, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Zone - January 8, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Surtr - January 8, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cyberman - January 8, 2013 at 7:22 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Psykhronic - January 8, 2013 at 8:49 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 8, 2013 at 8:52 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 12:44 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Zone - January 9, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Zone - January 9, 2013 at 1:31 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 9, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Zone - January 9, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 9, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 3:20 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 9, 2013 at 4:51 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by downbeatplumb - January 9, 2013 at 5:24 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Minimalist - January 9, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Welsh cake - January 9, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 4:59 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 9, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 5:16 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 9, 2013 at 5:25 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 5:25 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 9, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 9, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 9, 2013 at 7:30 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 5:27 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 5:40 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 9, 2013 at 5:58 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 9, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Welsh cake - January 9, 2013 at 6:48 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - January 9, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 11:55 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 10, 2013 at 3:59 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Esquilax - January 10, 2013 at 5:10 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by FallentoReason - January 10, 2013 at 12:25 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 10, 2013 at 1:35 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - January 10, 2013 at 1:44 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by FallentoReason - January 10, 2013 at 4:10 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Fidel_Castronaut - January 10, 2013 at 7:50 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 10, 2013 at 11:53 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 10, 2013 at 1:11 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 10, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 10, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 10, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 10, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 10, 2013 at 1:59 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Esquilax - January 10, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 10, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 10, 2013 at 3:58 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 10, 2013 at 4:49 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Surtr - January 10, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 10, 2013 at 7:01 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Esquilax - January 10, 2013 at 3:59 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 10, 2013 at 1:24 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 10, 2013 at 1:38 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 10, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 10, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 10, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 10, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 10, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by downbeatplumb - January 10, 2013 at 2:24 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 10, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by FallentoReason - January 10, 2013 at 8:22 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 10, 2013 at 2:21 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by kingofs - January 10, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Angrboda - January 11, 2013 at 12:51 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Surtr - January 11, 2013 at 1:11 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by FallentoReason - January 11, 2013 at 1:13 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 11, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by pocaracas - January 11, 2013 at 7:37 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by downbeatplumb - January 12, 2013 at 9:21 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by Cyberman - January 12, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RE: Burden of Proof - by Fidel_Castronaut - January 12, 2013 at 10:57 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by paultakgu - January 11, 2013 at 3:40 am
RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2013 at 6:57 pm

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