Burden of Proof

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Burden of Proof

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RE: Burden of Proof

January 10, 2013 at 1:35 am

(January 10, 2013 at 12:25 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Burden of proof: the person making the claim needs to provide the reasoning and/or evidence for said claim.

Got any Mark?

Strangely enough, Mark doesn't value reasoning and/or evidence.

He thinks there are other 'tools' that are applicable in the evaluation of the truth claim about the existence of a god. He has yet to provide us a list of those tools, how to apply them, or how to test their efficacy, but I'm all for taking his word on the subject.

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You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.

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Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 6, 2013 at 7:09 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by Minimalist - January 6, 2013 at 7:22 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 6, 2013 at 7:31 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 6, 2013 at 7:33 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 6, 2013 at 7:39 pm

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RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 6, 2013 at 7:39 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 6, 2013 at 7:47 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by pocaracas - January 6, 2013 at 8:02 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 6, 2013 at 8:11 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by pocaracas - January 7, 2013 at 5:51 am

RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 3:34 pm

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RE: Burden of Proof - by Minimalist - January 6, 2013 at 8:16 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 3:01 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by The Grand Nudger - January 6, 2013 at 8:28 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by FallentoReason - January 6, 2013 at 9:32 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 3:17 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 3:59 am

RE: Burden of Proof - by Esquilax - January 7, 2013 at 8:22 am

RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 3:51 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by Minimalist - January 7, 2013 at 2:23 pm

RE: Burden of Proof - by FallentoReason - January 7, 2013 at 4:37 am

RE: Burden of Proof - by Zen Badger - January 7, 2013 at 5:53 am

RE: Burden of Proof - by Psykhronic - January 7, 2013 at 11:51 am

RE: Burden of Proof - by Mark 13:13 - January 7, 2013 at 4:06 pm

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RE: Burden of Proof - by Simon Moon - January 10, 2013 at 1:35 am

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