Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge

[Drich]

Look Drich, I'm just going to say it as it is from my perspective:

The bottom line from all this discussion is that you are ok with all the countless people who have died in the name of your god.

Why? Because for us Death is not an end to anything but our birth into eternity. So why should I fear or villify death as you do? Death is not evil it is just as much apart of life as birth. Do you curse pregnate women as well?

I don't need to debate with you anymore because your words alone prove that religion is the root of all evil --

If you mean to say religion undermines the self worship this life allows then i completely agree. But to call this evil is a matter of moral realitism. Something that does not need to be discussed. for you has yours and I has mine.

which is truly a shame because I usually give you theists the benefit of the doubt on that one (as I used to be there once and always believed with my heart it was ultimately for the greater good). You've taken it too far and it just makes me sick to hear how you're ok with your god throwing souls by the bucketload into hell just so that the bloody Church could sort its kinks out.

Why do you persume that just because the darkages church condemned people to Hell, that God would do the same? The worst thing this church could do is end a person's life. The church had no say to those people's eternal fate. Let God be God and allow Him to judge as He sees fit to judge.

Your "work" here seems to push me further and further away from the faith I once cherished so dearly.

I am not here to sway you one way or another. I understand this life to be all about where we choose to spend eternity. I am here to help facilitate an educated choice. If God allows you to choose to be seperated from Him for all eternity, then who am i to argue with your choice, or the God who allow you the freedom to choose in the first place?? The choice is yours I am just here to provide truth and persepective for all who seek it. So if you choose Hell, the who am I to argue? The one thing I took from my Hell experience was, that I knew by my own life experiences, what I choose and why. I am here to help all of you cement or Change your choice. Nothing more nothing less.

I'm actually glad I don't have to stand by your side and convert those heathens together because I would be a little embarrassed to call you my team mate.

Maybe because you do not completely understand the team configuration, the object of the game, or how it is played. It seems as if you heard about it 2nd or 3rd hand so you know enough just to get the jist of it, but somehow believe your a professional player, or rather know enough to referee/judge the game.

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Well, okay: How do you justify the contradiction between the idea that the old testament somehow no longer applies, and the insistence within the text that not a word of god's law will be altered?

The passage does not say God's law will never be altered. It says: "Not one letter of the law will pass away," until His kingdom comes.

Again the Law still applies, all of it. (Pay attention and ask questions about this next part because it is what most of you do not seem to get) Because Christ Fulfilled the Law (Lived a life without sin) and then was sacerficed, He was able to take our sin and wipe it clean. Meaning we no longer are bound to the law as away to obtain righteousness. We are now completely dependant of the grace offered by the blood sacerfice of Christ.

Which means Christian and non christian are the same till the final judgement (when His kingdom comes as being discussed in our passage.) We are both literal slaves to sin. One not being more 'moral' or worthy of heaven than the other. Heaven is not a prize to be won for the moral. Heaven is a place where those who want to spend an eternity with God can so do though the attonement offered through Christ's sacerfice. If the simply accept it.

Beyond this, how would you explain the idea of an inerrant book of laws being made obsolete or selectively read from?

quite easily. Unless you are an OT Jew or a Legalist Christ the bible is not a 'book of rules.'

You're clearly personally fine with it, I guess I'm wondering how you reached that point,

I read the bible, and God filled in the rest.

because to me it seems like a point of cognitive dissonance, given that your god is supposed to be perfect: why would his laws change and, if they have, what does that say about his morality?

Nothing has changed. The law was the 2nd or possiably the third step in God's plan of communion with us.

The problem is you only see the law, and have ignored everything else. The law only serves one purpose, that is to identify sin. Read the book of Romans.