Drich Wrote:Why? Because for us Death is not an end to anything but our birth into eternity. So why should I fear or villify death as you do? Death is not evil it is just as much apart of life as birth. Do you curse pregnate women as well?
Wrong. The Church was killing non-believers so according to your cherry-picked NT canon they are now in eternal damnation. Hell yeah there's something to be feared, if the book was actually the truth of the cosmos.
Quote:If you mean to say religion undermines the self worship this life allows then i completely agree. But to call this evil is a matter of moral realitism. Something that does not need to be discussed. for you has yours and I has mine.
You confuse me with this moral relativism cop-out. I have my secular understanding of morality, you're meant to have your objective moral code from your god. Saying that back then it was ok to kill the innocent and now it isn't is simply being dishonest with yourself.
Quote:Why do you persume that just because the darkages church condemned people to Hell, that God would do the same? The worst thing this church could do is end a person's life. The church had no say to those people's eternal fate. Let God be God and allow Him to judge as He sees fit to judge.
John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Gawd demands that you believe in his scapegoat for a chance to cash in and win. No belief in him, no dice.
Quote:I am not here to sway you one way or another. I understand this life to be all about where we choose to spend eternity. I am here to help facilitate an educated choice. If God allows you to choose to be seperated from Him for all eternity, then who am i to argue with your choice, or the God who allow you the freedom to choose in the first place?? The choice is yours I am just here to provide truth and persepective for all who seek it. So if you choose Hell, the who am I to argue? The one thing I took from my Hell experience was, that I knew by my own life experiences, what I choose and why. I am here to help all of you cement or Change your choice. Nothing more nothing less.
Out of curiosity, when did that hell experience happen to you?
Quote:Maybe because you do not completely understand the team configuration, the object of the game, or how it is played. It seems as if you heard about it 2nd or 3rd hand so you know enough just to get the jist of it, but somehow believe your a professional player, or rather know enough to referee/judge the game.
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No, the game is simple enough; convince the other side through reason. The problem is that I can't go back to doing mental backflips, strawmanning, moving the goal posts, red herrings... basically anything required to believe an ancient book has authority over my life.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
