Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge

[Drich]

[quote='Ryantology' pid='385705' dateline='1358108460']
How self-hating and miserable does one have to be to seek 'atonement' from God for 'crimes' which BY DESIGN are impossible not to commit?[/quote] sin is not crime. sin is the condition, affliction that keeps us from spending an eternity with God.

[quote]God made us this way. Even if you call 'free will' into play, he gave us 'free will' but did not give us the ability to resist the temptations which are against his law. It's a rigged game through and through.[/quote]Which makes us SLAVES to sin. That means committing sin is not what free will is about. Free will is a singular choice to seek redemption from the sins we are bound to. Nothing more. I have said from my first post here Free will is not the Greek philosphy that describes the ultimate freedom of choice. (which subsequently is why all anti-freewill arguements fail.) We have no will but to live a life of sin. If you do not believe this to be true then try and stop sinning. Which is why all God wants from us is for us to manefest the desire to Not sin and to seek attonement. for us not to try and base our worthiness on our actions but on the actions of Christ.

[quote]To put the best face on things, Jesus is The Perfect Almighty God's way of admitting he done fucked up in such a way that stupid people think he didn't fuck up. Hence, why now the only 'requirement' for salvation is merely submitting to voluntary slavery, which is clearly not impossible for some people.[/quote] If you can not help but sin then you are already a slave. One who will be punished for his deeds. That only difference between you and I. For I am a slave to sin as well. I sin all day every day as i am a slave to it, but as in romans 7 my soul and my physical form are at war with each other over it, as a result I sought out attonement for that which I can not help but do. Because of this Grace has been extended to me. Even though I am still a sinner.

Christianity is not about earning your way to Heaven though your deeds/living a life without sin. It is about seeking the attonement offered through the blood christ shed for the sins He knew you could not shake.

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[quote='missluckie26' pid='385747' dateline='1358121350']
Dear Drich sir,

What the ___ are you talking about? I was raised Christian since before I could walk, spent my entire lifetime as a Christian, and I have no frigging clue what the ___ you are talking about. Thou shalt not kill. Period. [/quote] The Command you are referring to is: You shall not Murder, God kills in the time the commandments, and His people were given orders for the deaths of entire races of people(women and children smashing babies against the rocks and so on.) This is different from Murder. Murder being the unsanctioned taking of life. (Someone killing with out God's say so)

[quote]He who is without sin cast the first stone--Jesus could've thrown that stone supposedly, but he did not. It is never, ever condoned by your god to murder. Ever. Nor would murder be moralistic if said god ever did tell you to kill, and Esquilaxs' diagnosis of you being a religious murdering tyrant should you ever start hearing voices (which does happen medically), is highly accurate. Simply put, you are frightening. [/quote]You lost me. When under the New covenant have I said God ordered peoples deaths?

[quote]The moral contradictions in the bible with regards to murder and punishment (particularly Old Testament verses) only concreted my beliefs that the bible is either a sad misrepresentation of the creator--or there is no creator, whatsoever. [/quote]-or- Maybe you simply do not fully understand what has been written.

[quote]Mainly for the fact that an all-knowing god would know better than to throw such blatant "weapons" in the hands of humanity of all things, knowing damn well there's people who will interpret it as you have.[/quote]How exactly have I interpreted it?
cut and paste. Show me what I have said.

[quote]It's frightening that you're here, representing your religion actually--for Christians and non-Christians everywhere, I ask you to at least concrete your beliefs on a subject by reviewing them with others of your faith, rather than ranting on and on only causing more harm to your cause, than good. If you can't and don't do this, I am going to conclude that you're definitely not here to 'minister' to the godless, and that you're here for your own selfish needs and wants. I highly doubt you genuinely have god in your heart and can represent your beliefs accurately, and until you decide to make sense, please stfu. Thanks.[/quote]
Maybe you should take the time to read what I wrote again, ~Missy~

[quote]~As a sane human being, I am going to say that even if the bible did say go ahead and kill someone for some reason: doing something because a book says so, is EXactly how genocides happen. Old testament laws are null and void, anyways. I find it funny you would bring up the Nazis, but hey. [/quote]I think you are confused.


[quote='Drich' pid='385692' dateline='1358102975']
It is the bible that would keep me from killing anyone even if I thought for sure God told me to.

[quote]~You just contradicted your own point, there.[/quote]
Actually missy no i did not. allow me to explain. I was being framed out as being a death mongering lunitic, I simply played devils advocate and allowed the senerio to play out so the OP would seek the checks and balances found in the bible and with in a sane follower of Christ that would pervent him from going on a killing spree in the name of God.

It seems you made up your mind about me before you started and did not follow the logic and the revelation of those checks and balances I was speaking of. You ASSumed that your initial evaluation was correct even when my writting proved otherwise. That is why you believe their to be" a contradiction in my own point" Maybe read the post again with an open mind.