Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge

[Drich]

On my word I could say the same thing with the oppsite result. If you make a statement it is up to you to defend it when challanged. You sir, have been challenged. Otherwise know your statement has been rightfully dismissed.

You have a valid point sir. Let's kick the dead horse then, shall we?

Ephesians

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The language and style are different. Ephesians contains 40 new words, e.g. 1:3 "heavenly places"; "family, or fatherhood" (3:15). 1:19 has four different words for "power"; Eph & Col use a different word for "reconcile" from Paul's word (Col 1:20, 22; Eph 2:16). And they both use many very long sentences, e.g. 1:3-14; 1:15-23; 3:1-7; 4:11-16; 6:14-20. Also Col 1:9-20.
Eph copies Col at many places. Eph has 155 verses, 73 of which are copied from Col: e.g. Eph 4:1-2 = Col 3:12-13. Eph 5:19-2 = Col 3:16-17, Eph 6:21-22 = Col 4:7-8.
Eph takes many key ideas from Col. Wisdom, mystery. The word of truth. Gospel of salvation. Saints of God.
Eph also refers to most of the other letters of Paul. In many ways it seems like a summary of Paul's ideas, written by a disciple of his, and brought up to date for the Church of his own time.
Metaphors, or illustrations in Paul are turned into actual objective realities in Eph (and sometimes in Col also). E.g. faith, gospel, word of God, reconciliation, salvation, our resurrection and glorification, the Church as the Body of Christ, Minister, Saints of God.
Eph shows that the Church is becoming an advanced and powerful universal institution (rather like the Church today). In Paul's time there was no universal Church in that sense, but only informal gatherings of individual believing communities.
Eph contains no mention of charismatic gifts. It looks as if they have disappeared from the church, to be replaced by ordained ministers.
Eph shows Jesus acting on his own account and by his own authority. In Paul's letters, Jesus always acts on God's behalf and with God's authority.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_...d_epistles

This is the sort of stuff we're dealing with. I'm not going to go through every last detail because the evidence is too much for me to be passing it all on.

..So you want to drop a bomb and run? You want to provide this information and not discuss it? If this is the case then feel free to say what ever you want and I will treat it the same as Minnie's body of work.

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You do realize Drich that the "work" you do here only serves to further damage the reputation of your precious savior. You do realize this right?

Jesus (the version that you believe walked the earth) has got to absolutely despise you by now.
Your responses are borderline nauseating at this point. I honestly think you have done far more to discredit your religion than I did in studying it's true history.

I second that; he practically turned me into a satanist (Of the 14 year old emo variety). I don't even believe in Satan, I just wanted to worship someone who was infinitely kinder than Yawnway.

Whether you be a lukewarm Christian or an out and out satainist, one's fate remains the same.

Again, i think the worst fate one can experience is to think he is saved and finds out he is not. I am trying to help you make a firm desision as to where you stand with God. So that either A) you can go to your judgement with the full knoweledge of what you have decided for yourself, or B) repent. Your actual choice is not my concern, helping you choose is.