question for muslims

[Ari]

To be fair on muslimguy he did say he didnt know if they are or not unless they commited shirk.
I find it strange that islam says every other sin might be forgiven except giving god a partner. but thats how it is for them.

I don't think it's necessary to "be fair" on someone that has no problem with admitting his own relatives may currently be being punished in hellfire because they didn't know as much as he believes he does about Islam.

ThatMuslimGuy said committing shirk was worthy of punishment in the afterlife. It's not really a matter of, "well that's how it is for them". People die over having conflicting beliefs in Islamic countries. People still end up behind bars or worse for apostasy or blasphemy.

I spent a lot of time on an Ex-Muslim forum (the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain). They're not a very well-known organisation because of the taboo, intimidation and threats associated with leaving Islam. I think when people learn about the stories of former Muslims who haven't spoken to their parents or family in years, or former Muslims who had to claim asylum, live in fear, get beaten for being "too Western", then it becomes very hard to just turn the other cheek and say that this is just how they believe.