Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge

[Drich]

If it was mere separation from God, that would be one thing. It's the whole 'eternity of torture' thing that makes it a loaded gun.

If you loved someone with all of you being, and knew they loved you back with an even greater love and you got to sample that love, but were ripped apart by something you did or something you spent your life doing, and had to be eternally seperated from that person, The Seperation in of itself becomes the eternity of torture.

Fire does not make Hell Hell. or Rather Hell Fire is not of flame. Hell Fire is panic or the emotional distress that one experiences when they are consumed (as if being set on fire.) By the nothingness of seperation or the void of creation.

Seperation IS the punishment.
(Flame has nothing on Hell fire)

How can people get to heaven through Jesus if they don't know anything about him?

How can one get into the club except through the door man? Does that mean you have to know the door man to get in? No. (But it helps, and not all who know the door man can get in.) The door man or Rather Christ Himself judges who is worthy to get in to see the Father.

In other words: "No Man enters Heaven Except through Christ."

If you are right about everything, I intend to find out. If I suffer for eternity based on my antitheism, my antitheism would only be completely justified in the end.

I can only speak of what I know. The bible only says Hell is forever, it does not say 'we' will be.
For what it is worth it was my 'experience' that Hell is a complete seperation from God and Creation. Our sanity is a gift from God making it apart of creation. When the gates of Heaven closed so ended the control I had over my mind. I don't know if this was worse or better, as what made me, me was consumed by Hell fire and the though of spending an eternity in it. leaving a primal, animal like bag of fear.

What I intend to do is show why your God is unworthy of devotion and worship. If your God is unfair, he is unfair on purpose. So fuck him.

And what I was trying to show you was the 'unfair' way you judged what was fair. You slam God and call him unjust for makeing judgement calls according to his will or His Character, and yet you have done the very same thing when you judge the way He works by your own standard. What makes your standard of 'morality' more valid than His?

Why do you a member of creation get to judge God, when supposedly the creator of everything can not judge you in the same way you've judged Him?

To 'atone' implies that I feel that I am in the wrong for being a sinner.

No it doesn't. You can not attone for sin. Your sin has been attoned for by God Himself. All there is left to do is accept this attonement.

And you cannot make a convincing argument why I should feel this way.

You are confusing religious christianity from what the bible actually tells us.

Why does religion to do A (attone for sin) when the Bible says B? (Your attonement was provided by Christ) Their is no money or power in selling B.

Understand I am not selling you A, I am tring to point to what has already been done in B.

It is God's choice, apparently.

You made a huge leap how did you get to predestination from the offer of attonemnt Christ offers? Or are you trying to coast in on an old standby arguement hoping that it will work in what is being discussed here?

I'm interpreting your statement as an example of predestination. If I'm incorrect, then you need to phrase yourself better.

I am asking how can you come to the conclusion of predestination when you make the choice.

That doesn't answer why anyone should.

Because no one should unless they want to. They would want to goto God because He offers the love we were ment to receive.

Is it really a choice? I can choose to ignore what the facts indicate, as you already do, but I can't force myself to believe a God which is not there, nor could I choose to devote myself entirely to a God whose behavior and rules are completely disgusting to me. When I was a believer, it was not my choice then, either, and my transition from believer to non-believer was not a mere change of mind.

Believe me, I am not an antitheist because I thought "hey, this is what I want to be". I am an atheist because no other option is compatible with reality.

We've had this discussion before. When I identified the fact that you have a narrow defination of Reality. (What you can see feel, taste, touch for yourself, or you believe in a reality that someone who you think is smarter than you believes in.) IF the boundries of 'realality' were so narrow, we would have mastered all of it by now. Nothing would have ever changed since our first understandings of it.

In truth you believe what you do not because it suits the way you want to live life. It shows in how you argue against what you believe to be Christianity.