RE: Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge
January 17, 2013 at 11:30 am
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2013 at 11:40 am by Drich.)
(January 16, 2013 at 10:05 pm)Surtr Wrote:(January 15, 2013 at 9:35 pm)catfish Wrote: Beside that, I was referring to the "forever" part... The Bible does NOT state "forever"...
Matthew 25:46 ESV
"And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
e·ter·nal
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adjective
1.
without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing ( opposed to temporal ): eternal life.
2.
perpetual; ceaseless; endless: eternal quarreling; eternal chatter.
3.
enduring; immutable: eternal principles.
The punishment or Hell is eternal, the question is, Are we?
Look at verse 41 same chapter:41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Clearly Hell was meant for Satan and his fallen brother to be punished for eternity. whether Man shares that fate will ultimatly be upto God.
(January 16, 2013 at 10:38 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Boy howdy, that's some pretty twisted logic. I won't make a Minority Report joke, because someone beat me to it, but I will mention that, well... you didn't really say anything about what we'd do before a crime happens, now did you? What you said was, well, there's a quote function, after all...Actually IN the only way to Stop them. Meaning it is a preventive measure Not a punishing one. Punishment (like jail) comes after the Crime To stop would indicate the crime had not been commited yet. Meaning If Someone were trying to kill or rape you, would you kill them to stop them?
Quote:In that the only way to stop someone bent on raping or murdering another person is to kill them
Quote:Now, I know that you were replying to someone else there, but am I really that crazy for thinking you were talking about a post-crime, here?Only if you ignore the context of the message to preach about how great a country you use to live in.
Quote: Because the alternative would be that you're talking about killing someone before they've committed their crime, which in the real world- and you were talking about the real world- is impossible.Seriously? Do they have movies where you come from? Outside of Romantic comedies Most movies have an element of life and death in them. In most their is a struggle before the victim dies. They put this in movies because to one degree or another it happens in real life. I asked Missy if she were in such a struggle would she kill someone to save herself. Because She said it is never ok to Murder/kill.
Quote: I'm not about to be shamed by a strawman for using the sensible interpretation of your words, Drich.You jumped the gun plain and simple.
Jumped the gun...Quote:Unless you were posing this as a serious moral quandary, in which case... how is killing them before they've committed a crime any better?after my last effort do you still have this question?
