Divine Revelation

[Drich]

Again, Their is no "try." Either one submits or he does not.

I'm sure you're smart enough to know what I meant.

It's not about seeking Hard enough. It is about following the Path laid out before us as God illustrates.

....or maybe you're not.

Their is a difference between Complete submission and 'trying hard enough' to chirstian you way into spiritual maturity.

Again simply going to the meetings and learn how to be a pop christian has little to do with Biblical Christianity.

Meaning if you believe trying to be a christianity/faithful is the same as the broken submission required, then at Best you are mistaken.

You're arrogant.

And, you are persumptious. I have been answering the same questions Atheist Ask over and over for nearly 8 years. If one after all of that time speaking on the same subjects does not have some sort of idea as to the nature of the person asking the question by the way he asks the question and frames his follow ups, then he does not need to be doing this.

So out of these hundreds of thousands of people, none of them have actually legitimately prayed to God?

I would say out of everyone who ever lived very few people actually Pray to God, and either know what they are praying for and mean it.

Because, How have we been taught to pray? By asking for things, and with the hopes of changing God's will to suit our own desires. For God to move Heaven and earth to make our lives easier or better in some perceived way.

How has Christ Taught us to pray? By Having Us to Ask God to Change our persepective to Match His will, To bend us, to break us, to mold and Make us into who He wants us to be. This means to invite hardship, and persecution to help strip away the pride and everything else that keeps us from fully knowing God.

In your "Trying" how many times did you "Knock" on that door?

---

Oh, that's easy enough then. Been there, done that. Didn't work.

From what I remember about one of our last conversations I know this not to be true. From what I remember you were a wish maker and when God did not grant your wishes in the time frame you set for Him, you decided that God was not real. For you had a list of demands you were going to trade out for the 'works' you did under the name of christianity.

That does not exactly match up with what Christ said in luke 11.

[quote][Yeah, I mean you can dress it up in your particular religious flavour, but what I'm really interested is in the problem I've outlined which you've ignored twice now:

I ignored this because it has already been addressed several times.

Woah, woah, slow down! You're already on a whim claiming then that God interferes in nature to produce these revelation? I'd like to know how please.

This is an invalid assumption. If God IS the Creator of the known universe Why does one assume He is bound by only moving outside of the Natural universe He created? Would it not be logical that if God call the Natural universe into Creation then He could also use Natural processes to carry out whatever He willed? In fact the bible points to the Natural world as 'proof' of God. God only ever works 'supernaturally' to establish himself in the eyes of man.

As I explained, we can think of ourselves as closed systems and anything that comes out of us was from our own brain. Anything that enters came from the environment. Now you sir are already claiming that you're receivin information from *somewhere*. I'd like to know the science behind it as your claim implicitly proposes that nature is being messed around with. Therefore I should expect to find empirical evidence.

To which in the Thread I responded to 3 instances where I believe God directly interveened in my life. One in a dream/vision. Google "dreams" if you want to know How the work. 2) Through a physical Messenger/Angel (One who carried a direct message from God) Look Up Messenger/Message Thread that I wrote if you want to know the details there. 3) By having one of "His Chosen people" (Who was a complete stranger to me) give me 25K and told me to start my own business.

One Dream (again google them if you want to know how they work)

Two flesh and blood people (as far as I know) One told me of my future, and how to direct my life, The other provided the means to full fill what the first said do.

How does that work? you tell me. The two events were almost 10 years apart, and the two people I interacted with could not be more different. I do not persume to speak for God here.