Divine Revelation

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Their is a difference between Complete submission and 'trying hard enough' to chirstian you way into spiritual maturity.

Your entire argument is "no, they aren't a real Christian! they didn't really submit to God!". Like I said, the probability that every single ex-Christian on this earth didn't submit to the magical sky daddy and his magical dead Jew son completely is so ridiculously low that any rational person would not even think of considering it reality. Then again, you've proved to be a very irrational person.

And, you are persumptious. I have been answering the same questions Atheist Ask over and over for nearly 8 years. If one after all of that time speaking on the same subjects does not have some sort of idea as to the nature of the person asking the question by the way he asks the question and frames his follow ups, then he does not need to be doing this.

Claiming that you know the minds of every person you talk to not to mention the minds of people you haven't even met is arrogant.

Because, How have we been taught to pray? By asking for things, and with the hopes of changing God's will to suit our own desires. For God to move Heaven and earth to make our lives easier or better in some perceived way.

I have Christian friends who don't think this way at all. And where is the line? My grandma is in the hospital right now. Would praying that she would be fine be a desire?

To bend us, to break us, to mold and Make us into who He wants us to be.

That sounds pleasant.

In your "Trying" how many times did you "Knock" on that door?

I haven't ever wasted my time doing that, which is why I didn't use myself as an example.